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Re: “A Doggone Drag

Everyone, What Joshua states implying our facts are erroneous re: wrecked golf carts with keys issued by noble and his staff, driving drunk, driving otherwise impaired, pocketing monies meant for the foundation, having sponsors make out checks to noble and never turning in the cash and other malfeasance is ridiculous. Most posts on this subject aren't from me or people I know. They saw what they saw. I saw what I saw. Security and catering saw what they saw as did all vendors and fans. Two of the carts issued to these children were wrecked! One dog was run over and killed and another was almost run over by staff. I would never seek assistance from those who helped make a mockery of our otherwise positive event. That said, any help is appreciated and I appreciate Stella's suggestion. Anyone who wishes to help, please send your check or money order to: Akita Adoption and Rescue Foundation 6206 E. 317th ST Melvern, KS 66510 Thank You!

Posted by Randy Long on 09/27/2007 at 6:32 PM

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Stella, Eric, Dan, myself and many more would have been happy to step up and help make this bad situation better. And I believe we could have, your idea of $20 from a thousand people is a good one. But do you expect us to help when Randy has came out accusing all of us of being dishonest, drunk, thieves? He has chosen to alienate himself from the many in the business that know better than to believe these lies of a desperate man. Take care!

Posted by Joshua on 09/27/2007 at 6:06 PM

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Quite a humorous read through these posts. Impossible to know who to believe. Sounds like a den full of liars, but I guess we'll let the courts decide.

I do know one thing... if Noble and Long are dumb enough to air out accusations on a public forum with lawsuits and legal proceedings in the near future, well, it's no surprise the festival was a failure. I can only imagine neither one of you has secured legal counsel. Lionel Hutz could even tell you that your ramblings on the message board over the past week is completely stupid and can only hurt your legal standing.

Posted by james on 09/27/2007 at 5:09 PM

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So far, the war of words continues and I have read no suggestions of a solution. All of you out there who know Susie and Randy also know the dogs come first and they come second in almost every case. So, what can we do to help? Who is willing to help? Eric? Dan? Does it make you all sleep better at night to mud sling? Does it accomplish anything useful? I doubt it. If everyone would stop and think of how to turn the negative energy spent on all this and do something worthwhile to help, we could all make a difference. It could help not only the Longs and the dogs and horses and the bird, but it might make you feel good about yourself. Lets all pull together and insure future dogstocks (which are a really good time according to most paying customers) and do something like if a thousand people sent just $20 some of the debt could be resolved. There was no criminal intent on Randy’s part I assure you. In addition, he is not being charged as a drug dealer either. That’s silly! I don’t know if Eric stole money or not. I assume only he knows the answer to that. I do know he doesn’t seem to be stepping up to the plate to help with the mess left behind in Randy and Susie’s lap. Come on people! Use your heads. As a person who lives paycheck to paycheck, I know I can come up with at the very least $20! It is not wasted money! It’s a donation! It’s tax deductible! It would be the right thing to do!

Posted by Stella on 09/27/2007 at 4:16 PM

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Quite a humorous read through these posts. Impossible to know who to believe. Sounds like a den full of liars, but I guess we'll let the courts decide. I do know one thing... if Noble and Long are dumb enough to air out accusations on a public forum with lawsuits and legal proceedings in the near future, well, it's no surprise the festival was a failure. I can only imagine neither one of you has secured legal counsel. Lionel Hutz could even tell you that your ramblings on the message board over the past week is completely stupid and can only hurt your legal standing.

Posted by james on 09/27/2007 at 2:09 PM

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I have read all the posts here and thought I would leave a word or two. I have known Randy and Suzie for 20 years. Considered them friends for all of that time and worked with them more closely for the last 5 years or so. Not that it completely matters for what is being discussed here, but just some background info since several posters are bringing up past �records�. Randy and Suzie moved out to the 80 acres they currently live on so they could rescue dogs. They lived the first whole year in a pop up tent camper. No running water etc etc. They then moved �up� into a very small old mobile home. Once again not much in the way of luxuries. The house they currently live in is the first �house� they have had out there and have just got it fixed up in the last year. All this time on the many, many occasions that I have visited them I have seen their dogs living MUCH better than they themselves were. The dogs were always taken care of. So for anyone who thinks that there may have been any attempt on Randy�s part to �scam� bands or patrons for personal gain, that just can�t be proven by looking at their past history. Point is, when all is said and done, they are good people in the midst of a really bad situation.

Does that make it right to write bad checks? Nope. I sure wish he wouldn�t have done that no matter what the reason. I know Randy wishes he hadn�t done that as well. Guess the thing to consider is that he was caught up in thinking there would be money coming in to cover them. That didn�t happen. Whether that was due to not enough people being there or some people stealing money is really not something we can decide here. There will be legal proceedings to determine fault, so it doesn�t really help the situation to call names here. As a matter of fact, some bands didn�t play the last day because he refused to write them bad checks � he knew by then that there wasn�t enough money. Now they still can sue or do whatever as their contracts were breached, but at least it shows that he didn�t just intentionally set out to write a bunch of bad checks. Once again should he have done that at all? Of course not! But I think we have all done things we wish we could go back and change. He just used bad judgment and now has to pay for that bad judgment. But if there were other people who contributed to money not getting accounted for then they should certainly have to pay as well. I just really hate to see this one event potentially ruin many years of rescuing and feeding 80 dogs even in the coldest winter - placing over 400 dogs in good homes - taking in dogs in the middle of the night from an abused wife who �snuck away� in the middle of the night and drove all the way from Ohio to drop her dogs off at Randy�s because she feared her husband was going to kill them, and knowing she would face her own repercussions when she got home � and just years of trying to do the �right thing� in the world by speaking out against Pet stores and Puppy mills and all kinds of injustices. So rather than the schadenfreude I see, it would just be nice to see some of the good as well.

And just one other note. Someone said that �Randy paid all HIS bands too much�. I just want to clarify that some bands actually donate their time because they believe in the cause. My band has played at dogstock since it�s inception with some years seeing us playing on more than one night � and we have never been paid a penny � cause we didn�t ask for any. I realize that not every band can do every benefit they are asked to do, we are asked to do more than we could afford � but if someone would consider this benefit for the dogs part of their �cause� in this world, then I would hope that they would donate their talent and or time to help out, as I know many bands did and many, many volunteers did. Personally I wish there would have never been any money promised to any bands, just keep it a total �donate your love� event. Then perhaps we wouldn�t be in this discussion.
JS

Posted by Jeff Scheetz on 09/27/2007 at 2:52 AM

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I have read all the posts here and thought I would leave a word or two. I have known Randy and Suzie for 20 years. Considered them friends for all of that time and worked with them more closely for the last 5 years or so. Not that it completely matters for what is being discussed here, but just some background info since several posters are bringing up past “records”. Randy and Suzie moved out to the 80 acres they currently live on so they could rescue dogs. They lived the first whole year in a pop up tent camper. No running water etc etc. They then moved “up” into a very small old mobile home. Once again not much in the way of luxuries. The house they currently live in is the first “house” they have had out there and have just got it fixed up in the last year. All this time on the many, many occasions that I have visited them I have seen their dogs living MUCH better than they themselves were. The dogs were always taken care of. So for anyone who thinks that there may have been any attempt on Randy’s part to “scam” bands or patrons for personal gain, that just can’t be proven by looking at their past history. Point is, when all is said and done, they are good people in the midst of a really bad situation. Does that make it right to write bad checks? Nope. I sure wish he wouldn’t have done that no matter what the reason. I know Randy wishes he hadn’t done that as well. Guess the thing to consider is that he was caught up in thinking there would be money coming in to cover them. That didn’t happen. Whether that was due to not enough people being there or some people stealing money is really not something we can decide here. There will be legal proceedings to determine fault, so it doesn’t really help the situation to call names here. As a matter of fact, some bands didn’t play the last day because he refused to write them bad checks – he knew by then that there wasn’t enough money. Now they still can sue or do whatever as their contracts were breached, but at least it shows that he didn’t just intentionally set out to write a bunch of bad checks. Once again should he have done that at all? Of course not! But I think we have all done things we wish we could go back and change. He just used bad judgment and now has to pay for that bad judgment. But if there were other people who contributed to money not getting accounted for then they should certainly have to pay as well. I just really hate to see this one event potentially ruin many years of rescuing and feeding 80 dogs even in the coldest winter - placing over 400 dogs in good homes - taking in dogs in the middle of the night from an abused wife who “snuck away” in the middle of the night and drove all the way from Ohio to drop her dogs off at Randy’s because she feared her husband was going to kill them, and knowing she would face her own repercussions when she got home – and just years of trying to do the “right thing” in the world by speaking out against Pet stores and Puppy mills and all kinds of injustices. So rather than the schadenfreude I see, it would just be nice to see some of the good as well. And just one other note. Someone said that “Randy paid all HIS bands too much”. I just want to clarify that some bands actually donate their time because they believe in the cause. My band has played at dogstock since it’s inception with some years seeing us playing on more than one night – and we have never been paid a penny – cause we didn’t ask for any. I realize that not every band can do every benefit they are asked to do, we are asked to do more than we could afford – but if someone would consider this benefit for the dogs part of their “cause” in this world, then I would hope that they would donate their talent and or time to help out, as I know many bands did and many, many volunteers did. Personally I wish there would have never been any money promised to any bands, just keep it a total “donate your love” event. Then perhaps we wouldn’t be in this discussion. JS

Posted by Jeff Scheetz on 09/26/2007 at 11:52 PM

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Like I said someone has to keep dragging this thing through the mud. I am a witness to the volunteer gate people stealing money, so when it goes to court myself, and several others will be on the stand. I never said it was right to write bad checks, and never will say that. Was it right for Mr. Noble to have a sponsor check made out to him, instead of DogStock, or Akita Adoption and Rescue? I believe they call that fraud. Both are at fault.

Posted by Volunteer on 09/26/2007 at 7:20 PM

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So, by your logic if "Miller Light presents with Randog Productions" was on the bill Miller Light would have to pay for the failure of the show? Do you know the contractual agreement between the parties involved? Probably not. If you dont know the particulars, don't act like you are a judge. I ask everyone this, Who wrote the bad checks?

Kansas. Giver of worthless check is liable for the amount of the check plus an amount equal to the greater of the following: (a) treble the amount of the check, but not exceeding the amount of the check by more than $500; or (b) $100.

Under Kansas law, writing a bad check for more than $500 is a felony.

Took me about 30 seconds to find kansas check law info. Why does it seem no one ever uses google or any other research tools available to them? Hell, even simple logic. The fact of the matter is no matter the involvement of other parties, only one party wrote hot checks.

As far as speculating about drunk driving of golf carts goes. Who was administering breathalizer tests? And where were the drugs? I wish that drugs were delivered via cart. Would make searching for them a lot easier for many people. I only meet someone handing out drugs once the entire weekend. He was not on staff, but he was a very generous and kind individual. To bad more people don't have a friendly disposition.

How many of you people commenting on drug use are high right now? Got stash?

What a surprise there where drugs at a festival. How does the saying go? Oh yeah, "Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll" I got my hat trick that weekend. Jealous?

"No pity for the majority"

Signed,
A man that take the time to think.

Posted by Get A Clue on 09/26/2007 at 5:33 PM

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Like I said someone has to keep dragging this thing through the mud. I am a witness to the volunteer gate people stealing money, so when it goes to court myself, and several others will be on the stand. I never said it was right to write bad checks, and never will say that. Was it right for Mr. Noble to have a sponsor check made out to him, instead of DogStock, or Akita Adoption and Rescue? I believe they call that fraud. Both are at fault.

Posted by Volunteer on 09/26/2007 at 4:20 PM

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No Named Dog Lover - you are ridiculous

Noble- i watched you give a person a VIP wristband that already had a regualr one at waka ... plain and simple

Even if you witnessed someone stealing money who would you tell ... You could tell Noble if you could stop his golf cart. You could tell Randy ... the thing is these people were busy ... i personally didnt witness money stealing or ticket scalping ... i did see drunk people on golf carts selling drugs ... It is gunna end up with each of them paying for half of this

Posted by CO on 09/26/2007 at 4:08 PM

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So, by your logic if "Miller Light presents with Randog Productions" was on the bill Miller Light would have to pay for the failure of the show? Do you know the contractual agreement between the parties involved? Probably not. If you dont know the particulars, don't act like you are a judge. I ask everyone this, Who wrote the bad checks? Kansas. Giver of worthless check is liable for the amount of the check plus an amount equal to the greater of the following: (a) treble the amount of the check, but not exceeding the amount of the check by more than $500; or (b) $100. Under Kansas law, writing a bad check for more than $500 is a felony. Took me about 30 seconds to find kansas check law info. Why does it seem no one ever uses google or any other research tools available to them? Hell, even simple logic. The fact of the matter is no matter the involvement of other parties, only one party wrote hot checks. As far as speculating about drunk driving of golf carts goes. Who was administering breathalizer tests? And where were the drugs? I wish that drugs were delivered via cart. Would make searching for them a lot easier for many people. I only meet someone handing out drugs once the entire weekend. He was not on staff, but he was a very generous and kind individual. To bad more people don't have a friendly disposition. How many of you people commenting on drug use are high right now? Got stash? What a surprise there where drugs at a festival. How does the saying go? Oh yeah, "Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll" I got my hat trick that weekend. Jealous? "No pity for the majority" Signed, A man that take the time to think.

Posted by Get A Clue on 09/26/2007 at 2:33 PM

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No Named Dog Lover - you are ridiculous Noble- i watched you give a person a VIP wristband that already had a regualr one at waka ... plain and simple Even if you witnessed someone stealing money who would you tell ... You could tell Noble if you could stop his golf cart. You could tell Randy ... the thing is these people were busy ... i personally didnt witness money stealing or ticket scalping ... i did see drunk people on golf carts selling drugs ... It is gunna end up with each of them paying for half of this

Posted by CO on 09/26/2007 at 1:08 PM

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On, and on we go with all the stuff that means nothing at this time. It is over, and at this point Randy will have to do whatever he has to do. I can tell you that, it anything is ever done, that both producers of the event will have to pay the price. If everyone would look at the printed material (posters, handouts, ect.) Randog Productions and Noble Empire Presents. They are both responsible. Let's move on, either help them with money to pay it off, and quit siding with one or the other. I believe if it is taken into a court of law, the judge will go after both of them. You have all sided with someone, and none of you really know.

Posted by Larry on 09/26/2007 at 12:50 PM

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Randy �

I think that you are utterly ridiculous.

The part where you accuse Noble of being a known liar and thief � back it up.

Who cares that the security people were bonded or licensed? You know how hard it is to be licensed or bonded? It�s not. Does it give them any creditability in my book? NO!!! Could it mean that they are lying for you in hopes that you make their bounced check good whenever you finally get money? YES. Maybe they took all this money that was supposedly collected at the gate. Maybe you could use their bond to make your imaginary thousands of dollars show back up.

All your people handling money should have been bonded � there is no way I would ever let volunteers handle money. I have always had a rule to never trust anyone with money no matter how well you know him or her.

I was at Dogstock! I drove in and paid my $60 and all I go was a wristband � didn�t even get a ticket.

I believe Noble even gave me ride to the main stage when I first got there. The ride was a long one because he drove around checking many different things �basically making sure everything was running smoothly. I even saw him try to collect money from a security guard at the front gate and heard the security guard told him that Susie had just been down and all he had was $60. Noble told him to hold onto the money and he would be back later. Evidently Noble was not the only person collecting money at the front gate. The more hands in the pot the more problems you are going to have.


I have a feeling soon Randy will be quoting:
A CIVILIZATION IS JUDGED BY HOW IT TREATS ITS PRISONERS - Winston Churchill

Posted by flea on 09/26/2007 at 12:13 PM

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On, and on we go with all the stuff that means nothing at this time. It is over, and at this point Randy will have to do whatever he has to do. I can tell you that, it anything is ever done, that both producers of the event will have to pay the price. If everyone would look at the printed material (posters, handouts, ect.) Randog Productions and Noble Empire Presents. They are both responsible. Let's move on, either help them with money to pay it off, and quit siding with one or the other. I believe if it is taken into a court of law, the judge will go after both of them. You have all sided with someone, and none of you really know.

Posted by Larry on 09/26/2007 at 9:50 AM

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Randy – I think that you are utterly ridiculous. The part where you accuse Noble of being a known liar and thief – back it up. Who cares that the security people were bonded or licensed? You know how hard it is to be licensed or bonded? It’s not. Does it give them any creditability in my book? NO!!! Could it mean that they are lying for you in hopes that you make their bounced check good whenever you finally get money? YES. Maybe they took all this money that was supposedly collected at the gate. Maybe you could use their bond to make your imaginary thousands of dollars show back up. All your people handling money should have been bonded – there is no way I would ever let volunteers handle money. I have always had a rule to never trust anyone with money no matter how well you know him or her. I was at Dogstock! I drove in and paid my $60 and all I go was a wristband – didn’t even get a ticket. I believe Noble even gave me ride to the main stage when I first got there. The ride was a long one because he drove around checking many different things –basically making sure everything was running smoothly. I even saw him try to collect money from a security guard at the front gate and heard the security guard told him that Susie had just been down and all he had was $60. Noble told him to hold onto the money and he would be back later. Evidently Noble was not the only person collecting money at the front gate. The more hands in the pot the more problems you are going to have. I have a feeling soon Randy will be quoting: A CIVILIZATION IS JUDGED BY HOW IT TREATS ITS PRISONERS - Winston Churchill

Posted by flea on 09/26/2007 at 9:13 AM

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i am very sorry to hear that the akita rescue foundation is in jeopardy. i recieved my sweet akita from them 11 years ago and randy has always been available for advice about her, right up until the end, at dogstock 5. she was very old and on her last paws and to bring her back there for her final night of partying meant so much to both of us! at least in one way, that party was a success. i am also sorry to hear people who were clearly friends at one time saying hurtful things about each other; the others who don't know these people, please find a better use for your energy than to sabotage the reputation of these kind people. i am sure anyone who planned the event did it with the best of intentions and hoped for a finacial success. parties sometimes lose $$$, and that's how it goes. it has happened to the most professional of promoters, which i doubt randy is, and he sought help from someone else, who probably did his best, too. i cannot pretend i know anything more than it was a really nice festival, full of sweet people who were very kind and helpful to me and my akita, and i met 88 akitas (or blends) who were well-cared for and i hope they continue to be. randy admittedly puts the dogs 1st, and god bless him for it. whatever you can find to use to tear him down, there are 100 things that he has done that more than redeem him. please stop with the negative posts, all of you! it's really quite sad and there is nothing to be gained though it. sorry i couldn't make it to the last festival- i was hosting global mala at the new west lawrence yoga studio (internatinal yoga fundraiser for gloabl warming) or i would have been happy to give time and energy to this worthy cause.
peace,
susan

Posted by susan on 09/26/2007 at 4:44 AM

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i am very sorry to hear that the akita rescue foundation is in jeopardy. i recieved my sweet akita from them 11 years ago and randy has always been available for advice about her, right up until the end, at dogstock 5. she was very old and on her last paws and to bring her back there for her final night of partying meant so much to both of us! at least in one way, that party was a success. i am also sorry to hear people who were clearly friends at one time saying hurtful things about each other; the others who don't know these people, please find a better use for your energy than to sabotage the reputation of these kind people. i am sure anyone who planned the event did it with the best of intentions and hoped for a finacial success. parties sometimes lose $$$, and that's how it goes. it has happened to the most professional of promoters, which i doubt randy is, and he sought help from someone else, who probably did his best, too. i cannot pretend i know anything more than it was a really nice festival, full of sweet people who were very kind and helpful to me and my akita, and i met 88 akitas (or blends) who were well-cared for and i hope they continue to be. randy admittedly puts the dogs 1st, and god bless him for it. whatever you can find to use to tear him down, there are 100 things that he has done that more than redeem him. please stop with the negative posts, all of you! it's really quite sad and there is nothing to be gained though it. sorry i couldn't make it to the last festival- i was hosting global mala at the new west lawrence yoga studio (internatinal yoga fundraiser for gloabl warming) or i would have been happy to give time and energy to this worthy cause. peace, susan

Posted by susan on 09/26/2007 at 1:44 AM

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I've read all this, I was at Dogstock 5 and yeah there were a lot of cancellations. I was promised alot of bands that I didn't get to see but I still came out because I had friends in Lawrence to see. Regardless, yeah there were a lot of problems. There were a ton of people that were either a band or with a band and had passes. There were alot of shady people and questions couldn't get answered. No one really had answers about anything but my friends and I still toughed it out. I heard of some bands leaving after their shows and giving their passes away to attendees and other stuff like that. There were some people on golf carts that didn't seem like they should be on golf carts too. I saw one at the bottom of a hill when we were walking around and thought that was a sign of how the festival was going.

My question is, if all this illegal activities were going on, why weren't people like Noble, Joshua, Daniel, or any other of Noble's people asked to be taken off the festival grounds? It sounded like they were allowed to go anywhere and were in charge of something all weekend. Personally, if I watched people stealing money, I'd kick them out as fast as I can. On top of that, if there was that much money flowing through the gate, wouldn't there be more than one person working the gate? When I came up, there was only one guy there and I was the only one coming in. I'd assume that if there was as much money coming through the front gates as Randy says, it would have come in during the opening days and wouldn't a couple of people have to be at the gate to watch all the money? and wasn't money stealing a concern right off the bat or was this an after thought?

Lastly, people say there is scalping. Why would anyone scalp a ticket for an event where everyone is already in? Unless they found people scalping tickets in Melvern, then I could understand but it sounds like they're being accused of people scalping tickets inside the camping area or at the front gate which by the way traffic was when I got there was really pointless.

Posted by Robbie on 09/26/2007 at 12:29 AM

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