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Hall pleaded not guilty today in court, and he also claimed his innocence during a phone call to the Pitch. Check out more here.
Certainly I can see where everyones anger comes from on this.. and that is natural and would be strange not get angry and want to rip the guys head off and make him suffer a horrible death
Also you would feel this even more if you had it happen to your own daughter
Yet in saying that..this is just another case of reason why people need JESUS CHRIST in their life
As soon as AMERICA took prayer out of schools things have gone gradually down hill for the country
People want to do things their way, leaving God out of the picture and in turn what comes back is a result.
So yes..anger is justified
And right now he might not give a crap that he has murdered, who knows what state of mind he is in..
Years from now when he is sitting in his cell, he may come to a place where he realizes that what he did not only was wrong but was selfish and maybe just maybe he will cry out to Jesus Christ
He is one of thousands of men and women that are rightfully so locked up in prison for their crimes
Yet holding on to bitterness gets people no where.. at some point we all need to choose to forgive.. though certainly people will be less inclined to do it while its fresh in their mind.
There is a lot of power in forgiveness.. I once saw a man whos daughter had been murdered, face his daughters murderer years later and tell him that he forgave him
The person who murdered broke down in tears
So certainly my heart goes out to both familes, and for now he needs to be behind bars locked up.. but that is not where it should end.
Bars wont change him.. Only Jesus will
I appreciated your last post, Anonymous. I never said he was without a doubt innocent. My problem with the posts I've been finding in a lot of forums and blogs is that people are talking about and picking on petty stuff. Such as anything that's directed at his wife and son. There are way more important topics at hand. Like honest evidence or Kelsey's family and how they are coping with this.
To Eleanor Rigby, I feel where you're coming from. I'm sorry that happened to you. It's for people like that that I refuse to live in Johnson County.
As for the "verbal assault" copy and paste this into your browser and watch this lady for yourself.
http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/p...
I'm not saying that Jack hasn't said weird/inappropriate things before. But I don't believe this lady for one second. This one does not add up for me. There is a lot of evidence that points directly to him. But not this. She wanted her 15 minutes and she got it. I just hope it was worth it.
Marianne, she deleted that account because of wack jobs like you, that were harassing her for something she had nothing to do with. Thought you'd like to know...
Saving judgement for alleged wrong doers is an important part of our American history, even if it often doesn't seem to be active in the American present. But no one should make the mistake of assuming Edwin Hall's innocence; take it from someone who has had the misfortune of crossing paths with him. He's manipulative and I'm deeply sorry for his wife & son, who surely (other than Kelsey, obviously) are the biggest victims here.
And Tom, there certainly could be more focus on mental health--in Kansas City & nationally--as a means to prevent. But don't forget about the people who are plain and simply evil. There is no program for them, there is no way to monitor when and where they will strike. Thanks to the KC police force, Edwin Hall was caught almost as soon as his crime was committed, i.e. before he could hurt someone else. Mark my words, Kelsey was not Edwin's first victim...sadly he's been hurting people in one way or another his whole life.
DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR HIM. FEEL SORRY FOR THE SMITH'S, HIS WIFE, HIS SON; YOU ARE FOOLS TO SUPPORT SOMEONE YOU DON'T KNOW, FOOLS TO THINK THAT HE'D STILL BE IN JAIL IF HE HADN'T KILLED KELSEY.
THEY GOT HIM, AND KELSEY CAN REST IN PEACE.
wow, i just moved here. you peeps are giving me the creeps with all this "evil doer" talk. it called mental illness in the science community. you know, that community of peeps that are scholars... the reason he was allowed to kill that girl is cuz your political officials would rather spend money on cops sitting at donut shops while this kid kills, rather than to put your tax money into preventative health care for the mentally ill in your community. thats right, i'm suggesting this would not have happened had the system been geared to prevent it. again, it's called preventative health care. instead, you and your "political leaders" sent the police out the donut shop and into the park to walk their highly trained dogs. maybe i'm wrong here but, if the mental health system has no priority or "teeth" in the community, then peeps like jack will continue to live shut-in right next door to any of you... or, are you thinking the criminal system is going to find the "jacks" before he commits a crime? before he is a evil criminal... just a thought from someone new to the area...
I am so saddened by all of this news. While I understand the pleas for due process by posters like LoneWolf, I think it also stands to reason that, even without a court decision, there is a lot of evidence against this man. That evidence ranges from his verbal assault on someone else recently, to his clothing matched up to the tapes, to the fact that he returned to the scene later for his truck. More than anything, I guess I just want to say that it horrifies me, and it depresses me to a great deal that similar things happen every day to women across the country. I did not know Kelsey, and yet this news makes me want to cry. My friend suffered a really horrific sexual assault this year--one that involved torture--and made it out alive. The man that left her for dead took money out of her bank just moments after this took place. How can this world have people like this in it? Whoever did this, and it seems likely that this case will close with it having been Hall, has left a scar on the lives of so many individuals. We all have troubles, we all feel lonely or misunderstood, but horrific acts like this cannot be explained away with such excuses. I'm so heartbroken that I live in a world where I have to look over my shoulder, where I can't leave my drink down at a friend's party, where young, strong, bright women like Kelsey are taken from us. I am sick of it, I am sick of being afraid, and I can understand why people get emotional about this. Those who commit crimes like this do not deserve to breathe the air they steal from others. They don't even deserve our due process, though we offer it to them, as we're not beasts of the same cloth.
whats his wifes name whats her mysapce account????? has she made any comments about this FUCKING WACK JOB!
about a year ago, i was eight months pregnant & tripped over the hose @ a gas station in the same area as the target where all of this has taken place; i had my toddler son with me, who was holding my hand & i took him down with me on accident. there was a car in every stall getting gas, and not ONE PERSON helped me or asked if i was okay as i lay on the ground, huge belly up in the air, with my crying son. not one person.
where were the people in the parking lot. seven pm @ a target-----someone saw this happening, and in true self-centered american form no one helped. like vita, i'm not shifting the blame off of the true wrong doer, but it's a sad fact that we're all too fearful--of being wrong, of being hurt, of being laughed at or brushed off--to stand up for someone else.
i wish i had been there; i wish that i had been in the parking lot & i could've at least locked my kids in the car and stood on my hood and screamed until someone helped.
Can I ask you a question, Amy Lee? Why are you talking shit on his wife? Have you ever known someone and found out later you never knew him/her at all? I've totally been there. Even with this case I flip back and forth. What does calling Aletha stupid gain you?
I will say that I agree with what you said about the Target Security 100%. That hit me yesterday and it's bugged me ever since. Do you think that something should be done with them? I'm not talking jail time. But people need to start taking the extra step to ensure the safety of their customers. If they "saw" his odd-ball behavior, why not get up, go the doors when he left and make sure that he left the area without incident? Why wasn't her safety important enough?
I'm not trying to shift blame. The murderer is the one who should pay. This point just really bothers me! I had something similar happen to me a few years ago. Only in my case, I'm still alive because the security guard noticed this man following me through the store and then towards my car. He ran out and helped me. Where was Target's Security?
Hi I am a mother of 4 children and it scares the hell out of me there are people out there like this and not just the murderer but there had to be someone that seen her get pulled in the car and did nothing .
I mean This is why i watch my kids like a hawk(I got mad when my 10 yr told me she went over to a friends house and the friends mom let them walk two blocks to a puplic lake she not going there anymore there are to many wierdos out there beside if she fell in the lake no one would help her even if they were right there ).
I have told all my kids about this so they can be very careful in the future and to be on the look out for weird people following them even in the store but not just weird people but people that look normal to.
I also feel very sorry for this mans son he did nothing wrong and he will forever be labled the kid of the guy that killed someone not fair at all .
And what about his wife man was she stupid she had to know this guy had some weird stuff going on how could a wife not know this of her husband unless she was stupid
Justice will be served, hes not famous like O.J. or M Jackson he will propley be found guilty and go to jail he does not have enough money to buy his way out.
Ok, @. First of all who is doing the bashing here? Look through just this blog alone and see where the hate is all coming from. Honestly, I'm not sure what to think. But, I am upset by this as well. So many people are taking this into their own hands and formulating opinions without all the facts. Maybe he is the guy. But what about the chance he's not!
I'm feeling somewhat attacked here by you! Thanks for calling me weak, lost, etc. So appreciated! All I want is a fair shot on all sides. Not just mob mentality forums and other bullshit!
Was the thing in the parking lot of the mall reported before or after the investigation came out with Kelsey? If it was reported before, I definitely see your point. Otherwise...do we know it was without a doubt Jack?
I'm not denying what has happened to kelsey or her family. It's awful. A pain so terrible I hope never to come close to it.
The reason I got on here is because I am tired of people posting shit like "Fuck he's ugly!" Give something that is worth talking about! Believe it or not, even though you have somewhat offended me, I value your opinion. I believe that you feel very strongly about your side of this. I have nothing but respect for that. So instead of calling me weak, why don't you tell me what you think about this and I'll give you the same respect?
I am honestly finding it difficult to formulate an opinion; an aside, I don't know that threads like this are actually beneficial to anyone. I believe that we've all been suckered by the plethera of mediums attacking this story, and made to believe that Edwin Hall is guilty. I have no clue, I don't know him, I don't know Kelsey; but I do know the community, and I have faith that there is still some justice in our system. I don't think that Jack Hall should be anyone's hero, anyone's enemy; until he was charged, we knew nothing about him, he was as invisible as the rest of us.
Whoever is guilty will pay for his crimes, his hate against humanity. How foolish to believe, if only for a moment, that you are bigger than God...that you are powerful enough to turn life into death. God will take your evil and reek empathy and knowledge into the many lives touched by this tragic loss. may your soul wither and forever be alone, trapped with the memories of your sins.
Almost a decade ago, I experienced something hauntingly similar to that of Kelsey Smith's case; ambushed, ravaged, and left for dead... except that I was found. And as a survivor, my one question left is this: why must you die to get justice? One in four women in our country will be sexually assaulted by the time she's 18...and that's not a woman problem. How is it that sick individuals such as the perp. in this case, be they men or women, old or young, fathers or sons, how do they allow themselves to act out what only the demented think--let alone do? Nature vs. Nurture. The egg and the chicken.
There is evil all around us, folks...despite however many churches we put on our streets, despite how many times we've heard to love our neighbors as ourselves. How overwhelmingly sad that this girl's last moments were in the presence of anyone as truly troubled as the soul who made off with hers.
I will pray for the Smith family in the many trying years to come.
I totally support edwin and his family, here is my site if anyone is interested:
http://profile.myspace.com/ind...
It pretty much is as simple as this- the clothing he is wearing is much easier to identify than his face is. was he wearing that outfit that day? those shoes? did he use debit/ credit cards in the area between 7 and 9pm on that day? how about HIS cell phone pings?
and let's not forget dna. even if there is as little as a single hair found in her car of his, that's it. guilty. there is no reason THAT mans hair should be in that girls car unless he had killed her.
it is unfair to call adoption a red flag. yes, he was adopted late and i can not speak of his time in the foster care system, that aside, there are plenty of children that need good homes and it is not fait to lump them all in Halls category. What strikes me is that the adoptive parents felt fear.
i read that a month or so ago Hall approached a woman in the parking lot of oak park mall and made her feel very uncomfortable.
as soon as her car was dusted and prints ran, if his fingerprints were in her car, there would be a match because of his previous charges.
to say that not all of the evidence has come forward...(i do think that, even though it is myspace, having eating babies and all of his crap that he had on there is a bit demented, the fact that his wife did not ask him to remove it, i expect nothing less than for her to be in complete denial of what has occured)...it doesn't take weeks for evidence proving him guilty to come out. it takes the dusting of that car and the running of prints. how do you think that they had a person of interest so early on?
to those of you that knew and loved him, i'm sorry that you hurt, but sticking by him, making excuses and bashing others for expressing the pain they are feeling, the grief shared by many over kelsey, it to me shows that he was a manipulative individual who sought out other week, lost souls to befriend, he played you, he used you...and he killed kelsey.
Thank you Ed's Bro and Just a Mom. It's about damn time some people started standing up for something other than pure hate with no knowledge of the facts or the person that Jack is. Most of the people on this site do NOT know him and don't even deserve to know him. I understand the anger. I understand that the media has painted this nasty picture of him. Please calm down and look at everything (which I will state again that EVERYTHING has not been presented yet!) before you make up your minds that he is guilty. Stop and put yourself in his place and how difficult this must be. I am not forgetting of the pain that Kelsey's family is feeling. I can't imagine it. But do you think they would want a man convicted of their daughters' horrid murder based on circumstantial evidence and an odd personality?
First, I am so incredibly sad that we live in a world where we have to fear for our children every day. It is quite obvious that we have forgotten (or were never taught) to love each other. I am happy to see some logical posts lately as opposed to the venom earlier.
I will try to have faith in the judicial system, hard as that may be. I will believe that Edwin is innocent until proven guilty. I will not jump to conclusions. I will be patient.
I DO NOT want to live in a world where vigilante justice prevails. If Rampage Jackson were "in charge" I can assure you that some woman, somewhere, who decided he was "out of line" would cry rape and the mob would throw him in the pit to be savaged. It would not matter if he was innocent of the bogus charges. All that would matter is what was said.
I have an idea, all those people that have declared Edwin guilty and have proposed all sorts of horrific justice for him (without benefit of a trial), how about you move overseas to Afganistan and hook-up with the Taliban? You would fit right in...
Me, I will remember what Jesus taught and I will be patient and have faith. I still believe (with everything I have) that you should "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
Anonymous...find something that's worth us listening to if you're going to bother speaking. Too bad it's not your face splashed all over every station and newspaper so that the entire midwest could have a go at you. You're so unoriginal you can't even pick you're own username. Feels great being picked on, huh? Imagine it at a much larger scale with your actual name and picture for all to see and laugh at...
Vita,
Thank you very much for your so not evil, or medialike opinion. If you do know him please e mailme at www.peel_561@yahoo.com. Also let him know that iam all over these websights trying my hardest to stick up for him.. I can tell by his eyes that is totally innocent, and would love for him to know that I am pulling for him big time. I mean, if they lowered his bond, I would pay his ransom. Do you believe me whwn i say that he is the total scroficial lamb in this situation. Also please tell him ,and his wife, and child that I am pulling for him too. I did, too, write to him in jail, and if he needs anything to let me know. Thank you, any friend of Jacks, is a friend of mine.
Wow. Most of the comments on here are nothing but low blows and talking trash. I have to say that I agree completely with a few of the others on this site. It hasn't even been a week since his arrest and he's already been convicted by the media.
You don't know him. He has a very strange sense of humor. I gotta give you the babies and animals comment on his page. That was definately out there. And at this point, all evidence is pointed directly at him. But there has not been a trial. All evidence has not been presented. Wasn't there talk of possibly another person being involved? The parking lot cam was grainy and you could barely make it out. Could you see his face in that shot? Pushing her in the car? I watched it on several stations and couldn't make out much of anything. Also, would you be looking chipper if you were picked up from your home in hadcuffs with your wife and son watching? From the moment his identity was released to media as the "person of interest" he has gotten more hate than I think even the strongest man could take.
When I see his picture plastered all over and different videos of him since wednesday, this isn't the Jack I knew. If he is guilty, then he deserves the punishment he is dealt. But if he is not, I hope this will be a lesson to every one of you that you are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty.
Rampage Jackson, I don't believe I've ever heard it put QUITE like that in church.
My prayers are for the family of Kelsey. One can only hope that God saw fit to take her soul before the monster began his attack. You people shouldn't feel sorry for her, she is walking with Jesus and we should all be so lucky.
If only people would get this fired up about God.......
Okay so I can see both sides as to what people are talking about. As of right now unless you or someone you know works at the court house and hear and see all, then you don�t know what is going on. We don't know if this is the guy. When I first saw this image of a man at Target, I thought it was someone I knew. It could be Hall or someone else. So infact if he did not do it and he really does need help, how do you think you would act if Hall saw YOU after talking SH*T and he is found not guilty. So many people get accused of doing crimes that they actually didn't do until further evidence proves them innocent. Don't get me wrong our technology is better today than before.
As for the other girl missing, this sounds likely that someone could put the blame on someone that has been accused of the same kind of crime. People often jump to conclusions, pointing fingers so quickly.
As a person who has survived a similar type of crime, I know that if he is guilty, he will be punished by the system as well as behind bars.
There are more people out there that are just as creepy!!! Not one of us is perfect in any way shape or form. We can however have peace within our own. I hope some of you will just move on away from this and go and shed some good rather than arguing about how other people should think.
I still remember what happened to me and I was only six at the time. He was a bad, bad man. I will never forget, but I had to move on and make sure that when I got older, to be wiser. I now have a daughter that is almost 10 and she is doing great. I have learned to forgive but certainly not forget.
So my god rest her sole, and I hope that people could be more kind to one another. Hate solves nothing, only causes trouble.
A follow up ...
I just read the comments by "Rampage Jackson." With all due respect, you're an idiot. Please do us all a favor and THINK before you write/speak (or at least try it).
First, I am extremely sorrowful for the Kelsey and her family. It is a real shame that this happened to them.
I also cannot help but to also feel sadness for Edwin Hall. Although I don't know the full story, what has been reported is that he was adopted (red flag), but not until age 7, which presumably means he spent the first formative years of his life in foster/state care (red flag), and was "given up" by his adoptive family at the age of 15 and returned to the State (red flag).
Someone who would commit such an egregious crime clearly doesn't understand love, and is seem obvious why he doesn't. I doubt he's ever been loved.
It's almost always about broken love.
Not surprisingly, read the poem he wrote for his Myspace page ("for those who never loved me, etc.).
Just some thoughts to consider.
Everybody needs to calm down and eat some fruit or something. Unless I am really out of the loop, the only evidence I've seen is some grainy cell phone quality videos and a myspace page. Oh, and an even lower quality still shot of a truck that looks like mine. No fingerprints yet. No DNA evidence yet. No matching license plates yet. No bloody gloves, no smoking gun. Whoever did this deserves some severe punishment, but who here is 100 percent, with a doubt, would stake their life on it sure that Hall is the person who did it? I agree that right now people are angry and are going to do and say things that wouldn't do if they thought it out beforehand, but if you are truly angry and upset over this then go donate some time or money to one of our local women's shelters, (www.safehome-ks.org) (www.sheffieldplace.org) (www.synergyservices.org) And eat some fruit, I hear it's relaxing.
Freakish if you husband or wife killed someone would you take down your myspace or keep it up until your inbox is flooded, would you really want to deal with that while the person you thought or still does love you stands before a court with charges of murder.. think! CLASS DISMISSED SUCKAA!!
Why is his wife hiding?? She has a lot to answer for! I wanna see her answer my questions! I love how these scumbag family members of killers take down their web pages
and try to hide and avoid the media! Althea Hall you coward!
I agree with Lone Wolf, I am so sorry for Kelsey's family and friends but "Jack" is no weirder than anyone else, seems to me he has a sense of humor. When I look at him i see a lost soul that should have been helped, come on if he did do this to that beautiful girl, the guy must be insane, he is innocent till proven guilty.
I think this whole thing has irreversibly affected how everyone thinks. As I walk out of a store, I watch people more and hold my daughter closer. I know everyone is emotional and very understandable. I don't really think you can judge and jury one man according to the news stations. Hasn't the public learned that news is so biased. I happen to think the man did it, but not being on the jury, seeing the evidence, and the defense, am not willing to point my finger and condemn ANYONE. As far as the news coverage around here, I think Hall's lawyer already has good grounds for a chang of venue. As for Lonewolf--you are a bit wordy, but a beacon in the darkness. As for the attacks on Lonewolf--he is not defending Hall, he is defending the judicial system.
rampage jackson... Watch your self all that talk about her being in paradise and face to face with the lord! I am sure that is all true i am sure she is an angel but if you are such a God fearing man maybe you should eat some of your own words!!!!!!
Hello, First off I agree with most of what i seen from lonewolf! Well said! And for the person/People who thought it would be cool to write nasty things about his wife that is just wrong! Leave his wife and kid out of it! They are hurt enough i am sure! And for the family of Kelsey all i can say is Pray for them! A life wasted! And if he is proven guilty two life's wasted. so protect your children and pray for the victims and pray for the killers too. I have faith in our judicial system and hope that the family of Kelsey and the family of Edwin "Jack" can find some kind of peace someday!
i invite any of you people who are defending edwin the puss ass into the octogon. All you pussies who sit and blog all the time but never get your fat asses off the chair are victims of a way more extreme circumstance than kelsey. She is face to face with the lord. She made a decision one day. She is in paridise. You people who are defending a killer are just what america has become. I would love to see edwin be punished by setting him in an mma ring and left to fight till the death..... .... If he did this bullshit pussy ass crime than I hope that his prayer life is substantial. Otherwise he may be in the lake of fire. I just am tired of seeing dumb ass pussy motherfuckers, think they are hard cause they kiddnapped a 100 lbs girl and killed her..... Step to a man you little bioootch!!!!
i would be willing to bet that lonewolf and all the other judicial system jockers, are not homicide detectives. The guy that did this was very sloppy and very desperate for attention. You don't even need to be a detective to realize that "they have the guy of interest". In other words because of Kansas law.....They have the looser that did this. I don't care if I type sloppy and don't use big nerdy words. I am not posting to get attention at 3 in the morning in between popping lesions and eating doritos. Hall did it and when you see the evidence I hope you can at least apoligize for being such a self rightous, arrogant, looser who wants attention at a time like this. Quit posting and go fuck yerself. God Bless the smith family and may their strenth be in the lord.
i would be willing to bet that lonewolf and all the other judicial system jockers, are not homicide detectives. The guy that did this was very sloppy and very desperate for attention. You don't even need to be a detective to realize that "they have the guy of interest". In other words because of Kansas law.....They have the looser that did this. I don't care if I type sloppy and don't use big nerdy words. I am not posting to get attention at 3 in the morning in between popping lesions and eating doritos. Hall did it and when you see the evidence I hope you can at least apoligize for being such a self rightous, arrogant, looser who wants attention at a time like this. Quit posting and go fuck yerself. God Bless the smith family and may their strenth be in the lord.
I agree with many of the previous posts in regard to Hall being in search of his sexual roll in life. Let's face it, his wife is quite fat and ugly. That alone could make a guy want to prove he's "a man." Could this search for his sexual identity have played a roll here.
Gay, strait or whatever; this Hall guy (used loosely) is a sick bastard if he did it.
Yo all! I have looked on many sites to find out more about this Hall guy. From what I can surmise thus far is that he is a creep, a father, a probable killer, potential homosexual, a husband, an oddball!
With all of that having been said Edwin Hall deserves the death penalty if he is found guilty.
Kelsey Smith was a hottie! She will be missed by her family, her friends and by countless people who only knew of her. Rest in peace.
Hey everyone!
here is a females perspective on the gay angle.
After reading several of the posts I've concluded that Hall must have been gay. If I was a guy I would have raped the girl. After all - if you are going to kill a beautiful young woman why not fuck (rape) her as well. It's not like you wouldn't rape her because you don't want to get in trouble for that. What the hell.
I'm a straight girl and conclude Hall is either gay, impotent og just a weirdo. I'm straight and just feel there are either things he did we don't know about yet or Hall might be a wannabe fag.
If Mr. Hall is indeed guilty of the crimes for which he is currently accused, then he deserves the death penalty perhaps, but we need to let the judicial process run its course.
Hall certainly seems likely to be guilty from what the media has released thus far... but then again so did O.J. Simpson in the early days of the murder(s) he was charged with. As I recall he was found "not guilty" by a jury of his so-called peers!
Needless-to-say, Simpson was wrongfully acquitted of horrendous crimes he certainly did commit..let's just hope that when all is said and done that Edwin R, Hall is not only found guilty, but receives the appropriate punishment. (((( IN MY OPINION EDWIN HALL DESERVES THE DEATH PENALTY!!!)))))
Lonely Wind, you could be 100% correct about the latent homosexual stuff. (Not that there is anything wrong with that. However, I myself am "strait" and love women. If I was ten years younger and had known Kelsey I would have hit on her. She was hot and will be missed!
Here is what I think...
Edwin Hall. a.k.a. "Jack" is from the same part of Olathe that I am from. While I can't say I knew him, I did see him around from time to time. Several people I know thought he was gay. He worked on a friends truck (the friend of mine was a dude) and my friend said "Jack" took his shirt off and was flexing for him and he wanted to show the guy his tattoos. This made my friend very, very uncomfortable and my friend said he didn't have the money to get some of the parts "Jack" said it needed. My friend said he had plenty of money, but wanted to get away from the guy he described as creepy.
There could be something to the gay angle, but I can't say for sure.
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