The Outraged Patriots typically direct their anger at illegal immigrants and the political forces that refuse to deport them by the millions. This week, though, they’re directing their outrage at a group of Topeka vandals.
Last Thursday, the anti-illegal-immigration group based in Nebraska erected a 55-foot billboard just east of the Fairlawn exit on Interstate 470 in Topeka. Previously displayed in Little Rock, Arkansas, the sign included a cartoon image of a Revolutionary War minuteman next to a pole flying a Mexican flag and an upside-down American flag. The group listed its Web site and phone number beneath the question “Had Enough?”
Less than 24 hours after it had been mounted, though, the billboard was vandalized by some high-flying graffiti artists.
“The perpetrator(s) used some sort of tall ladder to reach the mounted ladder and then used a paint roller to paint over the www.OutragedPatriots.com lettering on the billboard,” group founder Dan Howard wrote in a Web posting. “They painted over the stars on the American Flag, spray painted a swastika on this portion of Old Glory, wrote 'Fight Fascism!' and the message 'Age Riots' was also left behind.”
Hayes tells the Pitch that he’s not all that surprised that the first sign in Topeka was targeted. In fact, while the billboard company removed the placard right away, Hayes says he would have left it up — swastika and all — to “show people what we’re working with here.”
“I’d question if this isn’t a hate crime,” Hayes said. “If one of the other [immigrants’ rights] organizations had it done against them they’d say it’s a hate crime. If that’s the case, shouldn’t this be a hate crime against a bunch of American patriots?”
Hayes says he’s checking back with the Topeka police today press the case, but the Minutemen are also known for taking surveillance into their own hands.
Hispanic housepainters, beware. – Carolyn Szczepanski
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It is as simple as this, these illgals who
rape, rob,drive without insurance and license
do not pay taxes, live twenty to a house, get as much free service as they can learn
this growing up in Mexico. For anyone to think when they cross the border legal or illegal that suddenly they will become decent
honest human beings, really need to be examined. They lived thier lives like criminals in Mexico with a free walk to our country to continue the crime spree and we cannot help them. They are beyond help and
we are at risk. But beaners beware we are now on to you and you will get a boot in the ass. You caused yourself trouble by saying the things you say, tired old white people
fuck you brown illegal basterds. Lets not for get we have awaken the sleeping giants, no! you have
and it is on. I ask all legal americans to not hire an illegal or use a comapany that does. They will have to leave it is that simple.
History has shown that HATE groups simply do not pass the test of time. We need to look no further than the Nazi's who actually had money and who ruled a country. The minutemen lack maintstream membership, money, articulate leaders, intelligent members, etc... Thus, this is one of those passing fads that are forgotten shortly after they are exposed.
The best analogy is a fart in the wind. Thus, the term minuteman is fitting.
Illegal immigrants do not want to invade your country. They simply want an opportunity.
The fact is that if you are so closed minded that you only accept those who are like you, then you do not accept a great majority who are not like you.
You minutemen and advocates thereof really need help. I will keep you in my prayers.
I think everyone agrees that we should stand for legal immigration, however what is your plan to deal with the 12 million plus undocumented workers? What affect will this have on our economy?
Let's be rational, hate has never solved any problem. Illigal immigrants simply come to this country to make a better living for their respective families. Most are very religous and do not intend to break any law other than the one of entering the country without permission.
Let's work on having a plan that enforces the law, but also has some solution for residency.
Robert,
How is it that Dan Howard and all his goons can post whatever drool comes off thier chin and *I'm the one not contributing to the debate rationally enough*!!
HUH?!
I had no idea we were actually talking about the possibility of SOLVING a REAL problem with REAL discussion. So far, all i had seen from the other side of the aisle was a bunch of hateful, vile lies and chest-beating assertions of Honkey-Hedgemony.
So yeah there are myriad problems that stem from having overly porous borders and sub-standard enforcement of existing policy and our elected officials owe us a better deal.
BUT...that's not what www.outragedPatriots.com is all about. And it's sure as shit not what those repugnant billboards are all about. No one in that camp is talking about long-term, bi-lateral solutions to global problems through better governance. No sir, that camp is talking militarism, barbed wire, chain-link, cinderblocked, bigger guns and harder truncheons militarism.
It's all over thier choices in jingoistic imagry, it's all over Danny Boy's website and it's all over the rhetoric spilled on this comment board refering to the impending relegation of the USA to "third world status" thereby implying that Mexicans by thuer very nature drag our culture into the gutter. If Dan and his creepy crew don't like being labeled bigots, racists, facists or whatever, then they shoudl learn to talk about the issues like decent human beings. Dan might also want to try and write a paragraph that is not predicated on his fantasies about the impending race war...that would be a nice start. :)
And so Robert, I am going to have to respectfully disagree about my approach being over simplified or missing the larger point. I am happy to talk to grown ups about grown up stuff whenever we're all ready. But, if you're going to bring Dan to the party, he had better watch his fucking mouth...or I'll put him back at the kids table.
BTW Dan...that billboard is at 40th and Troost Ave and it's owned by CBS. Game on....
One more thing, Robert Ellis, why did you even bother to bring up the civil rights movement, do you know nothing about it? Was it not illegal for a black person to refuse a seat to a white person, or drink from a "white" water fountain, or eat in the main dining room of a restaurant? Wasn't that whole thing about changing the laws to make them more fair, and effective? You should have left that out of your argument, it works TOTALLY against you.Read a book and stop just staring at the covers. By the way, there's not reason for the winning side to do much with the losing side is busy tripping on their own clumsy feet. Dan Howard should just know that, however "outnumbered" I am in Oklahoma, in the USA I am in the majority BY FAR, and my side is winning. Later bitches.
You my BOY Beazely!!! Just so everybody knows, "Hispanic Leaders Speak Out" that was posted by Dan Howard is a chain letter that's been going around for years. Why he would use a chain letter to support his argument is a good indication of how he gets his info to support his baseless "stance" on this issue, he hears stuff, he beleives it, without questioning the source and validity of it. If he would have done the smallest little bit of research, he would have easily found that with the exception of Art Torres, and even he is arguable, NONE of the people quoted are "mainstream hispanic leaders". I also want everybody to note Dan Howard's argument style. No facts, just a bunch of "Hell Yeah" mock patriotism and threats. I mentioned the name Jim Gilchrist, and he replied with this:
One last thing Mr. Hernandez, I know Jim Gilchrist and have built a good friendship with him. He is a combat-veteran Marine who was Awarded the Purple Heart for wounds he received in combat in Vietnam. I would go to hell and back with him before I'd ever let someone like you bring harm his way. He is a good man and he knows what it REALLY takes to keep this country free. He has faced Death square in the eye and so have I in my law enforcement days. Trust me, millions of others think highly of him as well so I suggest you be careful where you are when you speak of him as you have done here.
When did I ever say anything about bringing harm his way? I know Jim Gilchrist is a veteran, and I respect that, but that doesn't mean he can't be full of shit. Which he is, which also Dan Howard is, can't he put his dick away long enough to actually respond like an intelligent human being instead of a hillbilly who stays in the trailer all day listening to Lou Dobbs and Bill O'Reilley? He sounds like a racist extremist to me.
I DO NOT support rapists, or murderers, or criminals. I never said that. Robert Ellis, come on! Comparing a "pedophil" (I think you meant pedophile) to someone who crosses an imaginary line? Get a life, and start thinking logically. Sure it's against the law to enter this country without permission, no one doubts that. The question is how to reasonably enforce this law, humanely and effectively. Building a fence is not effective in the slightest. Rounding up the undocumented workers who are in this country like cattle is not effective. Maybe you all forgot about a little thing called the Cuban missile crisis, but we need to keep our neighbors to the immediate north and south on our side and not alienate them. All I want to say is this hard line stance is going to get NOTHING done. If 79% percent of the country beleives in deportation, a stat this is unprovable, why isn't it done yet? Deportation WILL NOT WORK. I am not a fan of the open borders, amnesty for all crowd either. I've stated many time, amnesty WILL NOT WORK. As soon as everybody gets the dick out of their mouth and stops spewing verbal garbage maybe we can start looking for a REAl solution.
T. Paine,
The point of my argument and my desire to reduce the flood of illegal immigrants is not to persecute a specific group, but to only allow individuals that can contribute to our society, into this country. Your oversimplification of the problem, and pointless rambling about murderers and rapists in the population at large does nothing for the point of this debate.
I agree with you on the orignal founding fathers. Libertarian at it's best. The purpose of the rules of entry are to protect the citizens. Quit the guilt bullshit about being American and having freedom. They have the same ability to do what our forefathers did. Make their lives better, change the system at home. That would be better for everyone. Simply moving in with the neighbors, doesn't solve anything. I know it's an over simplification, so shoot me. HA!
The example I made points to the fact that we do not know who is entering this country. We have a significant drug problem that flows across that same border. We have significant numbers of OTM (INS speak for 'Other than Mexican') illegal aliens crossing the border as well. Truthfully, I am much more concerned about this group than the Mexican illegals.
Beaz, I'm finished debating that you. Your simplistic view that the only reason anyone would possible want to stop illegal entry is because of unsubstantiated claims of bigotry, or facist conspiracy lends little or no substance to your arguement.
What is the benefit of not fixing a problem? If we, and I include anyone and everyone, don't debate the issues and force our elected representatives to take a serious look at the issues and problems facing our country. We deserve what we get. Congress is all to happy to play pork barrel polictics and vote themselves pensions and pay raises if left unchecked.
So Beaz, put your preconceived notions aside and really look at the problem. The border issue is a symptom of a greater problem. Open your eyes and look around. The problem you mention concerning KBR and Halliburton, is part and parcel of this greater problem. Congress is not doing their job. That is the point.
We have to hold elected officials accountable or we will end up with at best an benevolent/benign oligarchy, or dictatorship; or at worst, a megalo manical dictatorship, (a la Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Idi Amin) or oligarchy in the Taliban style.
Quit getting lost in the little stuff, relatively speaking, and recognize what the problem really is. Piss poor governing.
The illegal immigrant problem has grown at a malignant pace. since Teddy and friends 'fixed it in the 80's". Just like they fixed social security in the late 60's. By they I mean congress, conservative and liberal.
We, this economy and society, cannot solve the worlds problems. We cannot accept unrestricted entry into this country by anyone who can walk, swim, drive or fly in.
We need to control the borders as responsible stewards of our country for our children and future generations. That is the point I think Siena was making.
Robert: Yes, I admit it...for the frist several comments I was intentionally taunting you/Dan and whomever else wants to try and dress the MM agenda up as anything less than disgusting, Neo-Con fueled wedge-issue bullshit. I know that it is beyond pointless to try and have a reasoned debate with "patriots" who drape themselves in the flag, carry the cross around and invoke the names of thier dead ancestors to galvanize thier poli-masterbatory shootings off at the mouth. So I antagonized you. Sue me.
Dan: Neither I nor anyone else on this planet gives a high-tailed fuck about your dead ancestors with regard to this discussion. My family members lost in the holocaust don't make me "more jewish" and your war-dead don't make you one iota more American than anyone else. That is a cheap equivocation on your part and entirely unmoving. Same goes for your qualifications about being a state trooper and your friend the Marine. Big fucking whoop...you both gave up carreers in public service to become professional assholes...lah dee da! While were at it, why not measure our dicks with a ruler or compare SAT scores?
The "shivering socialist" stereotype: Dude....Dan...I really hope you realize that you are the one reflected in that mirror there, bro. You are the one whining about protecting workers from competition. You're the one who lives in perpetual fear of the phantom menace of a Mexican Invasion. You're the one demanding some kind of militarisitic mass-deportation of illegals. Really, I don't know where you learned the word "socialist" but you should consider looking it up sometime sinc eyour political DNA fairly reeks of the early Soviet Union to say nothing of the Socialist Workers of Germany circa 1938.
REAL WORLD TIME:
Whenever you are all tuckered out from hating brown people, you might consider that Arresting and Deporting 11 Million or so people is going to cost the taxpayers of the USA about 100 TIMES MORE than we would spend on social services doled out to illegal/undocumented workers. Again, dude...you represent the Old-School, Big Government Left here, not me. The actual enemy of the middle class is the neocons. They are the ones fucking over your friends in construction, manufacturing and agriculture. Cut-rate Latino sheet rock crews are way less of a threat to the American way of life than congressmen who are already bought and paid for by Haliburton and KBR. Furthermore, we all know that your argument about "enforcing the laws" is nothing more than a squeaky clean front for your bigoted agenda. American history is full of this kind of desperate gambit playing. Like those cops in Mississippi and Alabama who used always managed to find some ancient city ordinace to enforce so they could excuse beating up the SNCC marchers in the 1960's. I am not calling out for anarchy here...just some common fucking sense. Any laws that prove out to be as unenforceable as the ones you're hiding behind, are shitty laws and should be rewritten.
Dan's Website: I have never seen more articles that failed to support the conclusions drawn in thier headlines. Stick to being a cop. Your particular muse prefers short sentences.
The Billboard Itself: Let's see here...a Mexican flag flying over an upside-down American flag with the phrase "Had Enough?". That imagrey has indisputable racial significance, nes pas? Why, someone who had taken Comms 301 might even say that the imagry seems to be designed to make non-Mexicans angry and paranoid toward Mexicans! Now how is it that you can even pretend to be surprised when people get the idea that you hate Mexicans?! OF COURSE YOU HATE MEXICANS! And I don't really care what your reasons are; political, cultural, economic..I don't give a thin shit how big you claim your majority is. I don't care if Jesus Hernandez and I are the last two people on earth that can be bothered to speak some truth. I am not going to let you come to my state/city/region/home and talk a bunch of foul racial shit without hearing a word or two back from old Beaz...You don't get to post a bunch of lies, misrepresentations and jingoistic bullshit on the website OF MY HOMETOWN PAPER, alluding all the time, ever so slightly to some fantasy you have about an impending race war without reading a loud and venomous "fuck you" from my pen and you will place no signs or symbols of your perverse quest in my neighborhood without feeling the sting of my spray-can and THAT my son, is what it means to be American.
We have homegrown, all-American rapists and murderers too. Should we deport all elements of the population that include rapists and murderers in their midst? Is your argument that people should not be allowed within our borders if there are dangerous people among them? If you take any significant slice of the population, you'll find rapists and murderers... it doesn't mean that there is something inherently bad about those people.
Try a radical approach and look at the root of the problem. Why is Mexico in such a state of poverty that people feel forced to risk their lives to come into this country, work for slave-wages, and deal with violence and discrimination? Ever heard of NAFTA?
Do not shrink wrap your brain in an American flag, please. Shouting and beating your chest over lines in the sand isn't going to solve anything. Please remember you're talking about human beings.
And about the first revolutionaries... the first revolutionaries overthrew a tyrannical government in favor of a government that ideally would have been small, near-powerless and non-interfering; one that would make and defend laws for the sake of people, not for the sake of laws. I doubt the first revolutionaries had any interest in building giant walls or giving governments scary levels of authority and weaponry.
Ms. Sczcepanski's article was hate-mongering at its worst. Emblematic of her 'style' is her tag line: 'Hispanic housepainters, beware.". Her inference is-apparently-that people who pay for a billboard would not shrink from doing bodily harm to a housepainter? Forgive me; but I do not see the connection.
I am an attorney at law and a nurse. I am a proud member of the Minutemen. I detest racists, and find it mind-boggling that our organization is regularly accused of same. Those who so accuse us should come to a meeting: and if they find any racists among us, I will eat my [old] nurse's cap!
We Minutemen object to one thing and one thing only: the endless influx of illegal aliens into our beloved country. It is true that we are a rich and powerful nation, but even our wealth and power is not infinite. Since that is so, if we do not stop this invasion we will be bankrupt and overcome, in that order. It is a matter of record that 15 states have already sued the Federal gov't. because they have been financially exhausted by the endless need for social services with which the illegal alien population presents.
We do indeed have a great deal of disposable income here in the glorious USA. That is because we have worked terribly hard for it! America is the largest charitable giver of all the nations in the world, a fact which is regularly denied by the hate-America-first groups which NEVER factor our debt-forgiveness into the equation. However: that is GIVING. That is VOLUNTARY. It is not the responsibility of the United States of America to serve as the welfare-nation for every country in the world which has less than we!
I certainly do want a secure wall erected, complete cut-off of all social services to illegals, abolition of 'anchor baby' status, English only in our country and deportation of illegals here. This is not racist: it is simple common sense. And certainly this will be costly in the short-run! But it is peanuts compared to what it will cost-what it has already cost-to support this ever-increasing illegal population on social services; not to mention the horrifying amount of crime this group commits. 1/3 of the prisoners in our jails are now illegal aliens. What about the cost to OUR citizens? What about the three young black students SHOT IN THE HEAD recently by an illegal alien [inexplicably] out on bond pending trial for the REPEATED RAPE OF A 5 YEAR OLD CHILD? As the billboard states: "HAD ENOUGH?". I am on the record as having 'had enough' and neither I-nor the MAJORITY of Americans who recently called their Senators and Representatives to defeat the Amnesty bill-are to be vilified because we HAVE "HAD ENOUGH".
Now when the aforementioned measures are enacted, we Americans will be able to continue to do what we do best: give bountifully to persons/nations in need, out of our 'disposable incomes'. And the 'open borders' groups will be free to open their homes to illegal aliens if they wish. They can go to Mexico, pick them up, and bring them to their OWN homes where they can feed, clothe, educate and provide for them health-care wise. Since they apparently feel so strongly that it is morally wrong to have a 'border' at all, surely they will not shrink from breaking the law to do so!
Finally: do any of those persons espousing open borders think it 'hateful' and 'racist' that all OTHER countries maintain secure borders, and indeed punish far more stringently than we, those who violate their laws? They do not! No: that is their 'culture', their 'belief'. THAT is to be respected! It is only their own country, only the United States of America they accuse of racism for wanting to keep its borders secure.
And that-I submit-is rank absurdity.
Sincerely,
Siena
I find it absolutely hilarious that the first thing out of your mouth Gil, is calling anyone who disagrees with you racist, facist, and in-bred. You lose the argument without even addressing the facts.
There are over 12 million illegals in this country. ( consevatively estimated by the labor department)
These illegals do include: rapists, murderers, pedophiles, and thieves. Read the headlines of most major papers.
Beaz, you make a lazy approach to an argument. Stating opinions as absolute truths. Making stupid suppositions about your opponent "protect the culture". facist, racist.
This has nothing to do with 'culture' or racisim. The race card is a conveniently inflammatory statement, that precipitates knee jerk reactions in the ignorant and ill informed.
Jesus, the only comment I have about your post, addresses the perceived notion that the commision of misdeamenor crimes is OK in your book. A speeding ticket is the same as an assault ( simple assault is a misdeamenor). Also, who gets to decide what laws are OK to break. Does the pedophil have a vote? How about the murderer?
Who gets to pick which people can and cannot break certain laws?
We faught in a revolution to stop that. We faught in 2 world wars to stop that. We faught the 'Cold War' to stop that. We went thru the civil rights movement in the 50-60's to stop that.
Somehow, it is now acceptable to selectively violate our laws.
The arguement that I and many others support. Is the age old argument. Laws are defined to protect the human and civil rights of the governed. These laws must be inforced. If you do not like the law, write your legislator, organize a political action group and fight to change the law. If the majority feels the law is just. That's the way Democracy works. What I see and hear in some of the posts is a drift toward anarchy. Do you really want a civilization where only the strongest get what they want. Where laws are capricious and selectively enforced?
I for one do not and will fight to protect this country from enemies foreign and domestic.
This country is founded on the principles of truth and freedom. If you want to come here, I respect the desire live by the fruits of those principles. But I demand that you abid by the laws of this country and enter LEGALLY.
Crossing a border into a foreign land, then demanding your rights will get you inprisoned or shot in most other countries. I, and most supporters of this issue, simply want the illegals to go home, and seek legal entry into the United States.
Beazley,
Just give me the address of where you want that sign put nxt and we'll try to make it happen. I'd give a month's pay to be standing at the bottom of that pole when you come down after having defaced the American Flag and trampled on my right to free speech. Oh, that would be your worst nightmare buddy.
Yes, you'd definitely lose that situation just like you lose with your pathethic arguments that you use to compare people that demand our CONSTITUTION BE ADHERED to people that supported Hitler and other psychos in this world. If Hitler were here I would expect YOU to be marching in lock-step with that idiot as you evidently have no clue what it took for many of our ancestor to defend this country. My family members actually went to Europe and victoriously fought in our country's move to rid Hitler from the planet. You are too stupid to know that Hitler was really a Socialist but a stupid one at that.
Yep, you and old Jesus would be there right behind old Hitler gulping down every word (and whatever else he tossed at you) no matter if you believed what he told you or not.
But, don't kid yourself for one second.... none of the folks out here are out to defend you. Man, you are delusional.
If we ever see Civil War in this country again it will be the real Americans that defend this COUNTRY and each other, and NOT the ultra-leftist bleeding-heart socialist Marxist-infatuated extremist unpatriotic morons like you and Jesus Hernandez... folks that helped our country get in this ignorant position. Trust me, you guys ARE OUT and you bvetter hide in Mexico if things ever get that bad because folks won't tolerate your crap when it comes to the business of self-defense.
Honestly, it would do the USA a lot of good if some people on both ends of the extremist fronts, both left (you all) & right, were weeded out or moved off. And, no, the Minutemen, patriots, and Constitutional Party mebers, mainstream Dem's and Repub's are NOT anywhere near the far right that I mention.... nor am I or my friends. I am just a loyal middle of the road American, just liek all the other 78% of the country that wants no part of downgrading to Third World Status and chaos that you would deliver to us. I'm just a normal everyday guy that takes his Founding Father's documents at face value and I'm a guy that is pissed off at big government for buying off our politicians on this cheap labor bullschit, I'm pissed at the huge corporations and CEO's that bought them off and that run ads oin mexican newspapers advertising for foreigners to come to America and work without passing through the Immigration Process on the way. I thank God each day for Senators & Rep's like Jim DeMint, Tom Tancredo, Jim Inhofe, Tom Coburn, Brian Bilbray, John Sullivan, and the other few legislators that still have any Constitutional honoring abilities left in them that dropped the hammer on Captain Teddy Kennedy and the 'Secret Bill Writers' and all those others with him that wanted to drive a stake in the heart of our great land.
Man, you guys must LOVE being in the oeverwhelming MINORITY on this issue because 78% of this country has had an ASSSFULL of this attempt to give an easy ride to citizenship for those who ILLEGALLY invade our country, suck our social services funds like a vacuum pump, turn a blind eye to the pedophiles in their own crowd, and screw our American brothers and sisters, especially in the blue collar trades, out of many of their hard earned dollars and careers by working on near slave-like wages for the American Pimps that would hire them over an American Citizen.
Come talk your stupid diatribe in Oklahoma where 90% of the House of Representatives passed the toughest anti-illegal immigration laws in this nation 3 months ago! The Senate followed with an 88% vote as well. And, you try to tell me I'm a redneck with just a little bit of sense? I tell you what, go start your own web site (if you can learn how to) and see if you have over 100,000 hits in 4 months and a 97% HIGHLY POSITIVE response rate from folks in ALL 50 STATES !!!
I nmay have paid for ther 1st month of billboard rent on that sign but I haven;t paid a dime for it since. Why? Because HUNDREDS of Americans agree with the message on that sign and have donated the funds to keep it up and running ever since. I donate all my time to linking up REAL REPORTS on Illegal Alien Crime News and Illegal Immigration issues that the mainstream media won't act upon. I DO NOT WRITE THIS STUFF! NONE OF IT ! I just link it up so folks like you do not have ONE LEG TO STAND ON when it comes to defending what these maggots do here!!! How about showing some guts for a change and start telling these pedophiles, rapists, murderers, thieves, and their like to go home, straighten up, and apply to live here like all the LEGAL IMMIGRANTS DO? No, doubt you have it in you.
Also, just who is it that you want to pay for all the Billions in social services, criminal justice costs, health care costs, and unemployment benefits RIGHTFULLY collected by the Americans who were screwed out of their jobs by these illegals? Are you ready to cough up another 20% of your pay to fund this cause? Well, that's damn sure what it will take (and probably more) to foot the bill for all this POVERTY WE HAVE BEEN IMPORTING !!! I am damn sure not going to pay for it as I pay plenty enopugh taxes like it is right now but I do so gladly as long as those dollars go to AMERICAN elderly, AMERICANs on Social Security, AMERICANS on Disablility, and AMERICANS that lose their jobs!! But, no way will I EVER condone my tax dollars being STOLEN from these AMERICAN CITIZENS and being redistributed to non-citizens. And, like before, I challenge you to go ask other Americans to join you in your cause and line up in the sand against those who won't. Yeahg, you'd be running for Mexico when you saw the crowd you were up against as it is one HUGELY OUTNUMBERED group you would be cowering with.
I'm done talking to you morons. My address is on my web site, if you need directions just call and I'll be glad to help you find your way here.
One last thing Mr. Hernandez, I know Jim Gilchrist and have built a good friendship with him. He is a combat-veteran Marine who was Awarded the Purple Heart for wounds he received in combat in Vietnam. I would go to hell and back with him before I'd ever let someone like you bring harm his way. He is a good man and he knows what it REALLY takes to keep this country free. He has faced Death square in the eye and so have I in my law enforcement days. Trust me, millions of others think highly of him as well so I suggest you be careful where you are when you speak of him as you have done here.
HAVE A NICE DAY !!
Hell, you wouldn't get 20% of the folks supporting you and you'd have to hide your address to keep from getting lynched. But, it looks like you already know this since you don't have the balls or the conviction in your cause to do so by now. You are one very lucky person in that you have the right of free speech just as everyone does. If you didn't, you would have already had someone shut your trap for you as there are many many people out there that are plumb fed up with un-American sell-outs and liberal whiners like you that defend those who invade our country and the politcians that vilate Article 4 Section 4 of our Constitution by supporting them. Pure unadulterated violation of the Constitution.... no ifs and or buts!
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Dan Howard, I've been to your website many times, and you have the same problem as Frosty Wooldridge, Jim Gilchrist, Chris Simcox, EVERYBODY on newswithviews.com, and the rest of your supporters. You take a very valid argument, lace it with bullshit, and wonder why you aren't being taken seriously? Your numbers are way off. I would be totally on your side if you'd just cut the bullshit and shoot from the hip. Focusing on the fact that they are "illegal", and insisting on calling them "law breakers"? Why do that, to make them sound more sinister? I understand the logic, crossing the border without permission is illegal. Working in a country without proper paperwork is illegal. Okay, fine. It is a misdemeanor offense. You used to be a highway patrolman, you know what misdemeanors are. Which means if you've ever switched lanes without using a turn signal, or didn't come to a complete stop at a stop sign, you have knowingly committed a crime and you are a CRIMINAL LAWBREAKER ILLEGAL!!!!! That being said, all countries should know who is coming into their country, and what they are bringing, and should have their laws respected by all who wish to reside here, I'll give you that. I'm just saying just stick to the facts and you may convince more people, and not sound like a redneck from Oklahoma. Oh I forgot, you are a redneck from Oklahoma, but still, at least you can sound like an intelligent one. And by the way, there is no organization called "la raza". There are several organizations with the word "la" and also the word "raza" but none just simply called "la raza". There are two major ones, one is "La Raza Unida" (racist extremists) and the other is called "National Council of La Raza" not racist extremist. I know to you it all just sounds like "meksin talk" but they are as different as the Salvation Army is different from the KKK, get the idea? Thanks. Good luck, you will need it.
Put one of those billboards up in my neighborhood and I'll be happy to vandalize it for you. :)
There's a good spot right on Troost at about 40th st.
Maybe you guys can come down to the hood and set up a little garrison of overweight bigots at the base of the billboard and play GI Joe for a few nights?
I'm guessing it was illegals that vandalized the billboard. why would they be afraid to commit crimes, when they repeatly go unpunished for breaking the law.
"winning arguments" usually have some element of predictability...like winning horses at the track.
So far all the MM arguments for "Border Enforcement" or "Mass Deportation" or "protection of the culture" have been historically defeated several times on every continent since pre-biblical days. Furthermore, every instance in which these issues have come up in history is roundly held in hindsight by thinking people the world over as sad and shameful episodes in the collective story of mankind. The closest you guys have to heros is Adolf, Solbodan and Pol and those dudes were not exactly on the winning side if you'd care to check the literature.
And yeah, the people you're quoting are guilty of exactly the same jingoistic filth and hate-fueled, xenophobic garbage as you are, Dan. So, if you were looking for an equal, you've found them there.
The "tofu" comment cracked me up. :) I know that the right wing has you all gassed up that we on the left are all hippies and communists or whatever but until now i had never encountered anyone so scared totally shitless of a phantom enemy. So please, don't presume that I would need or want you or anyone like you to "protect" me from anything in this world. Quite to the contrary, Dan...you're the weak and I'm trying to be the shepherd.
Not really a cogent argument? Maybe not... but it will be the WINNING argument. Just eat your tofu and hide in the tree house if we ever really have to defend this country Beasley.
By the way, would you call these folks racists? Probably not....
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HISPANIC LEADERS SPEAK OUT!
Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets; "Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die . . Through love of having children, we are going to take over.
Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council. "They're afraid we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They're right. We will take them over . . . We are here to stay."
Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico, "The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot."
Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas; "We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population . . . I love it. They are shitting in their pants with fear. I love it."
Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party, "Remember 187--proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens--was the last gasp of white America in California."
Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor, "We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country . . . I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, "I'm going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back."
Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Governor Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Bill Clinton, "California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave."
Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General , "We are practicing 'La Reconquista' in California."
Professor Fernando Guerra, LoyolaMarymountUniversity; "We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos . . . "
Are these just the words of a few extremists? Consider that we could fill up many pages with such quotes. Also, consider that these are mainstream Mexican leaders.
Just calling it like i see it there, Dan.
"piss ignorant socialist" is cute but still waaay off the mark.
AS a matter of fact....the sort of protectionism that you are wailing for from cheap mexican labor is a hell-of-a-lot closer to socialism than anything i've posted.
like i said, cute...but just cute. Not really a cogent argument.
HA!
Where do i begin?
FIRST: " ..march this country into third world status"
Seriously?! You expect intelligent people to swallow that? This is the country that has so much disposable income that we spend on average 4.2 hours per person per day watching TV. We have better turnout for the opening of the new Harry Potter movie than for our national elections and you actually believe that it's illegal aliens who are fucking things up? Never has a more proposterous comparison been made, I say! You have clearly never been anywhere in the "third world" because we could not be any further from it. In the third world, they have sewage in the streets. We have streets clogged with shiny pickup trucks. In the third world they pay protection money to drug gangs. We pay motgages and car insurance permiums. Go lookup the word: Hyperbole. Copy/Paste the definition to your clipboard...were going to come back to it.
SECOND: "refuse to assimilate"
Ahhh, that old nugget. :)
Durring the period that we refer to as "the history of the USA" there have been waves of immigration and with each wave came an outcry from the more bottom-of-the-barrel, bigoted types about "assimilation". The Irish ghettos of brooklyn, NY were bitched about as were the Jewish, Italian and German neighborhoods with thier food, music, lanuages and culture that were so very foreign adn so frightening to the easily frightened. Put succinctly, you were wrong about assimilation then and you are wrong now. Clearly, if any of "them" are going to come shop at Town Center Plaza, they will have to learn some english and wear pants instead of loin-cloths. And they will...and you will still be a racist.
THIRD: Brent.
I never said nor would I ever say that EVERYONE who did not think EXACTLY as I do was a racist. However, EVERYONE who backs the minute-men and thier fear-mongering, whitebread agenda for any reason is functionally, a racist. If in the absolute best-case scenario, you knew so little about the history of immigration to this country as to be compelled to believe any of the claptrap these MM fools are spouting, you would be ignorant, you would be misinformed, you would be patheticly illequipped for this debate and odds are good that you would still be a sorry-assed racist.
FOURTH and FINALLY:
If the MM would just come out from behind the flag and admit that they were no less bigoted and disguting than the American Nazi Party, we could end all this bitchy blogging and just take sides in a nice shootin' war. How about it, boys? You could elect Lou Dobbs as chancellor of Missouri, move the capitol city to party cove, declare war on California and have whites only civil war re-enactments every sunday after church. Sound about right?
You really are one ignorant un-American.
Go to www.OutragedPatriots.com
The truth doesn't lie. Only folks like you.
These illegal invaders will BLEED THIS COUNTRY DRY and maybe those rich folks you mention won't have trouble but I'd damn sure be glad to introduce you to some folks who have already lost their businesses because they can't compete against non-Englishing speaking, no-tax-paying, no driver's license packing, no insurance carrying, all-illegal alien construction crews that have no overhead to speak of that bid jobs at 50% to 60% of the going standard rate!
Talk all your ignorant bullshit on this you want 'Beasley' (I happen to have enough balls to use my real name) but the day this country ever has to go to civil disobedience to protect themselves against these illegals I can guarantee that 'in the shadow pussies' like you will not show up for the fight, or if a few of them did (not you of course) that they WILL BE ON THE LOSING SIDE OF THAT BATTLE FOR AMERICA..... and AMERICA will win at that! (Again, you won't be on that team as you chose to coddle these law-breaking pieces of scum that fly our flag upside down and rape our children!)
One last thing.... this has NOTHING to do with RACISM or BIGOTRY..... those are merely words that piss-ignorant socialists like you HIDE BEHIND when you have NO PRINCIPLES to STAND UPON. I have many may friends that are Hispanic, Black, Asian, Native American, etc and they know I (and others like me) have no problem with them because they are good law-abiding people that, like me, are decent enough to see past someone's skin color. This is about NATIONALISM and PATRIOTISM, and has nothing to do with your worn-out race card.
I have 3 great-great-grandfathers that fought for the Union in the Civil War andhelped to free slaves. My grandfather fought in nearly every major battle in WW1. I have 5 uncles who fought in WW2, one of which was beaten and starved as a POW by those lovely Nazi soldiers in Germany (that you would have dropped to your knees to BJ in order to gain mercy). My nephew is dropping bombs out of F-15's onto the Taliban in Afghanistan as we speak.
It will be a cold day in hell before I cow down to a cum-guzzling EUNUCH like you or any others and let what my loyal American ancestors' sacrifices be tossed in the cesspool of VAIN.
Speak all you want, but when 'that day' comes, I hope you have some fancy Mark Twain sh*t prepared to say because I'm sure you won't be honored with a burial at Arlington. Ain't now way someone like you could end up in such an Honorable Place.
Better yet, just move to Mexico since you love that lifestyle so much!
Dan Howard
HA!
Yeah, I know...millions of Americans are just like you...
Ignorant bigots.
First: "third world status" Seriously?! You expect intelligent people to swallow that? This is the country with so much disposable income that we spend 4.2 hrs on average everyday watching TV. We have better turnout for the opening weekend of the new Harry Potter movie than we do for our National Elections and you honestly expect me to let you slide on the assertion that illegal aliens are what's fucking things up?!!
I agree with you Jay Balboa, Mr. Gil here sounds like he isn't up to speed on his American History. A disgrace to our founding fathers and our First Minutemen?? Yeah, right. I'm sure that if we could bring those men back in time they would join Gil hand in hand and march all of us REAL Americans to the gallows for treasonous acts for demanding that the immigration laws be enforced, our borders secured, and the illegal alien invaders of our country deported back to their homelands.
Trust me, Gil, it is people just LIKE YOU who are destroying this great and prosperous country by selling their souls to Marxist-leaning principles that are accompanied by aliens that have no desire to assimilate and become Americans.
Whether you like it or not, I and million of other Americans just like me, will not meekly stand by and watch as disengenuous people attempt to unconstitutionally march this country to Third World Status. I have no desire to go to Mexico or El Slavador on vacation nor to live there, and I'll be damned if I sit back and quietly watch while Mexico moves here !!!!!!!
Go read your Constitution, especially Article 4, Section 4. Sounds like you need an education on what was WRITTEN by those First Minutemen and Founding Fathers about repelling invasions into this country.
Until next time......
Thinking people? Thank god there are thinking people to protect snot nosed losers like you beazely,from yourself and other likewise ilk. EVERYBODY is a racist that doesnt think like little narrow minded Beaz. Why dont you and Gil come back when the adults are finished talking.
I know you jagoffs would love it if Thinking People would let you get away with the hilarious oversimplification that you, "just want existing laws enforced".
...but we won't.
especially when you throw in little nuggets like " run along to your next La Raza meeting" that utterly betray your original point about being attacked as bigoted and feed the civilized world's case that you are a bunch of clowns.
You were racists when you tried to keep out the Irish...
still racists when you tried to keep out the Germans...
sorry-assed bigots when you tried to squash the Catholics...
and your rhetoric is still just as pathetic now.
Let's see here.... wanting existing laws enforced and illegal aliens (criminals) ferreted out, rounded up, and promptly ejected from the country is somehow 'racist?' You open-borders nuts and Mexican pendejos always resort to ad-hom attack like Guerrero's when you have no legitimate arguments Keep up the good work, payasos.... show your true colors and intelligence levels. Now run along to your next La Raza meeting, eh? LOL!
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