Wednesday, March 4, 2009

Missouri lawmakers moonlight as Obama-isn't-a-citizen conspiracy theorists

Posted by Justin Kendall on Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:39 PM

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For a long time, I didn't believe that Missouri's state Legislature could be crazier than Kansas'. This year, thanks to Missouri state reps Cynthia "kisses" Davis and Bryan "Rebel Yell" Stevenson, I know I'm wrong. And it keeps getting better. Missouri House Republicans want a constitutional amendment to stop voter fraud and protect Missourians from "corruption, fraud and tyranny." If you're like me, you see the words "corruption, fraud and tyranny" and you say, "No, sir. I don't like any of those things."  Then they cram in the Obama-isn't-a-U.S.-citizen conspiracy theory. You know, even after it's been repeatedly refuted.

Here are the bill's highlights lowlights according to Fired Up! Missouri:

The secretary of state shall determine that each person is qualified for the office he or she seeks, according to the law, before placing his or her name on the ballot.

For candidates who are required by the Constitution of the United States to be natural born citizens, the secretary of state shall request an official copy of the candidate's birth certificate.

Other certifications, such as a certificate of live birth, shall not be accepted.

Should any candidate fail to provide an official birth certificate within thirty days of the request by the secretary of state, his or her name shall not be placed on the ballot.

The secretary of state shall verify the qualifications of any elected officeholder who was previously placed on the Missouri ballot. Should any elected officeholder fail to provide the required documentation or birth certificate within thirty days of the request by the secretary of state, the secretary of state shall turn the matter over to the attorney general who shall within twenty days file suit to obtain the required documentation.
The bill is sponsored by Rep. Robert Cooper. Guess who co-sponsored it? Cynthia Davis. Go figure.

Hat tip to Politico.

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Posted by C1ON on 03/11/2009 at 2:14 PM

DEMOCrat! -

**BARRY **BARAK **BARACK **BARRACK **HUSSEIN
**MOHAMED **ABDULLAH **BIN SOETORO **ONYANGO
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Posted by C1ON on 03/11/2009 at 2:13 PM

I believe he was born a female.
Understandably he would like privacy on this matter.

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Posted by Chuck on 03/09/2009 at 6:16 PM

www.obamaconspiracy.org

Any questions are answered there. Every single stupid birther theory is debunked there.

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Posted by sus on 03/06/2009 at 5:13 PM

But they might alienate moderates for another election cycle, Beazley, so maybe we should just let them keep at it!

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Posted by Even Stevens on 03/06/2009 at 3:49 PM

Dear total idiots,

Not that I don't find this entire escapde hysterically funny- the very same low-information-by-choice voters who were so totally asleep at the wheel as to be complicit to the Bushies stripping this country of it's civil liberties realizing that a young, black intellectual won the race and suddenly demanding a full and complete accounting of his personal history...as though you gave a crap about the last white guy's birth certificate, grades, drug problems or piss-poor military service record.

But seriously folks, you're not going to get the white house back like this.

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Posted by Beazley on 03/06/2009 at 2:16 PM

Re: "Obama has spent in excess of a million dollars keeping his secret."

Baloney! All the cases were about stopping the election or requiring state officials to take action (which were cases against the State agencies and Obama's lawyers just sat in on the cases). No case against Obama was simply to get the Birth Certificate, which he cannot give because the State of Hawaii gives out only the Certification of Live Birth.

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Posted by smrstrauss on 03/06/2009 at 10:47 AM

Re: "a certified copy of the original vault BC CAN STILL BE OBTAINED by simply asking and paying the extra processing fee. A COLB is NOT - let me repeat that - NOT GOOD enough to get a passport. I know this first hand."

Answers: The Department of Health of Hawaii says that it issues ONLY the Certification of Live Birth to people who ask for their birth certificates. It says that it does not issue copies of the original birth certificate or copies of the hospital documents, only the COLB.

You can check, by asking your own questions by e-mail at vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov.

This guy puts it better than I can:

A posting from Andrew Walden, publisher of the Hawaii Free Press, a right-wing blog based in Hawaii.

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com...

Barack Obama: Born in Hawai`i
by Andrew Walden

It is time to focus on REAL issues, not imaginary ones.

A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense, which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama's upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama's numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawai`i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.

Obama's birth certificate posted online is exactly the same birth certificate everybody in Hawai`i gets from the State Department of Health. It is not forged. There is nothing unusual about the design or the texture. In addition to the birth certificate, the August 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser also carries an announcement of Obama's birth. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin also carries the same announcement. Both papers require submission of a copy of the birth certificate to print a birth announcement.

End Quote

And the COLB IS accepted by the US State Department for issuing passports.

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Posted by smrstrauss on 03/06/2009 at 10:37 AM

Re: "--[�338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."

Yes, you can get a Hawaiian certificate even if the child was born outside of Hawaii. But (1) this law was not passed in 1961, so it does not affect Obama. and (2) You cannot under the law today get a birth certificate that says "born in Hawaii." You can get a Hawaiian birth certificate, but it must say on it the location of birth. Thus you get a Hawaiian certificate of birth that says: "location of birth: New Jersey," or wherever the birth took place.

Since (1) the law was not in effect at the time of Obama's birth, and (2) Obama's certificate says "born in Hawaii" and the law has no provision for lying about the place of birth, Obama was born in Hawaii.

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Posted by Anonymous on 03/06/2009 at 10:30 AM

wait, borabus, because some jerk totaled your car Obama is a secret foreigner?

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

I have never seen so many people fail to make a single coherent argument!! i am so glad that the functions the brain performs to keep the body alive are handled by your unconscious because I know if I waved a shiny watch around all you dumbasses would forget to breathe.

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Posted by guz on 03/05/2009 at 10:21 PM

Well I had my entire life 'checked' because I had the unmitigated gall to be in the way of some poor young man who was late for a class at the local Junior college(he needed to travel 12 miles in 7 minutes besides park and enter the building...
So why was I scrutinized like this? It was to show my character or lack there of!!! The poor yo9ung man who rear ended me at 50+ MPH (estimate by police officer) totaled my 4 1/2 month old truck,and after 30 days of no reply from his insurance company I retained a attorney.Now 2 1/2 years later it is still moving along at the speed of a crippled snail.
Why did I answer these stupid questions,because on advise of my attorney,the defending attorneys would be able to say "I HAD SOMETHING TO HIDE" ...
If I can do it why not Barry O.???
So I am looking forward to the usual attacks from the 'brave annoyance' people.And because he's black...He's an Arab,who family made their fortune by selling slaves...
Come on all you good Demoscats run me down...

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Posted by borabus on 03/05/2009 at 3:58 PM

Ms. Cris Ericson says:

---:look at my blog and the certification of live birth,
in the lower right hand corner in teeny, tiny print is a legal notice:
[HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]
and THOSE are the applicable statutes and THEY were in effect when Barack Hussein Obama was born,"----

Er, no, those are the statutes that are in effect currently, or more correctly since 2001 when the CLOB form was last redesigned.

One thing about government agencies, they put revision dates on everything, especially official forms.

Look in the lower left hand corner of Obama's COLB and you will see the revision date of the form. it was last revised in November 2001 and formatted for a laser printer.

The state of Hawaii no longer uses hard copy forms. All data is entered directly into the electronic database and the certified form is created from that database. In the case of older birth records (like Obama's), the data was transcribed from the original microfiche into the database so the form is also printed from the database.

In any case, What's your point?

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Posted by Alferd P on 03/05/2009 at 2:27 PM

----Voco Indubium says:

To: Anonymous

�The proposed bill as it is written, is unconstitutional as it violates the "full Faith" clause of the U.S. Constitution.�

Interesting new theory. Will you explain it, please?-----

It is simple. Hawaiian law considers the COLB to be prima facie evidence of the facts of birth valid in ANY court of law. All courts must accept this as valid, even courts in Missouri.

The U.S. Constitution states:

---"Section 1 - Each State to Honor all others

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof."---

So in other words the State of Missouri can not pass a law that invalidates the legal documentation of another state.

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Posted by Alferd P on 03/05/2009 at 2:16 PM

why dont all of you just admit what is obvious .. . .

you're only suspicious because you're uncomfrotable with a black man being president.

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Posted by guz on 03/05/2009 at 11:41 AM

Why are you sooo predictable? Anyone wanting to see the document to prove beyond doubt Obama is qualified the media immediately kicks into Mock Mode!

How much is Obama paying you to be unpatriotic? That's what I want to know.

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Posted by Voice of Reason on 03/05/2009 at 11:21 AM

No, I don't remember getting mad when you attacked Bush on the war, or thought that he stole the election, or questioned Bush on anything.

You know why? Because I felt secure in my feelings that he didn't steal the election and that the war was necessary (not that I supported it, or felt he entered into correctly, or for the right reasons), but I did feel it was necessary. And likewise, ANYONE should have the right to question their President when they feel justified in doing so.

The fact that you are here - feeling what I can only assume to be less than confident about your President - feeling the need to defend him - leads me to wonder if you just might have a few questions yourself. If you didn't - you probably wouldn't be here trying to defend him.

How in the world do you get that we hate America because we choose to stand up and question something we feel is not right? I thought that was EXACTLY what being American was all about - the freedom to speak FREELY.

I guess your America and my America are not the same - unfortunately.

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Posted by Sally Hill on 03/05/2009 at 11:03 AM

so much crazy!! you people didnt blink when gwb clusterfucked this country for 8 years but now a month of obama and your searching for a crazy racist stupid ignorant ass Get Out of Jail free card. i know this isnt true of all conservatives but all you people here are

FUCKING STUPID.
RACIST.
CRAZY.
PARANOID.
WRONG.
UNPATRIOTIC.

remember how mad you got when democtrats attacked bush and the war? remember how you called them unpatriotic for questiioning the commander in chief? That's what I wonder about you assholes....,..

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?

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Posted by guz on 03/05/2009 at 10:11 AM

Besides the issue of the BC (others here have written well on this issue) There is the problem that Obama is not a "Natural Born Citizen" which is a requirement of The Constitution to become President. This can be found in Article II, Sec I "No person except a natural born citizen...shall be eligible to the office of President". Now if you are going to call people who believe that the Constitution should be upheld "conspiracy theorist" you Mr. Kendall are looking like an uneducated kool-aid drinker. Oh BTW Natural born citizen does not mean "native born" it does mean a person born on the US soil to parents who are citizens at the time of child's birth. It is about Allegiance!

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Posted by Gerome on 03/05/2009 at 8:13 AM

Press on, Missouri. Thank you for standing up for America. It's about time we find out what is on the vault certificate. I think it's great that Missouri is being responsible and taking up this cause--to find out if Obama is even eligible to be President of the United States. Hurry up!

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Posted by shar on 03/05/2009 at 7:49 AM

While I do not believe the BC or COLB have anything to do with his ineligibility - and while it is true that Hawaii only issues COLB's (as do most states now) - a certified copy of the original vault BC CAN STILL BE OBTAINED by simply asking and paying the extra processing fee. A COLB is NOT - let me repeat that - NOT GOOD enough to get a passport. I know this first hand.

Like Obama, I too was born in 1961. I asked my Health Dept. for a copy of my BC, and received the COLB - looked identical to the one that is posted at factcheck. Nope, not good enough, I had to go back and VERBALLY REQUEST my vault copy. Nope, there was no where on the request form to request the vault copy, so it must be done VERBALLY.

If it's on file, as Hawaiian officials have states, then it's available. That is pretty much a no brainer. And being as he is the President - you really think Hawaiian Officials are going to tell him NO? hahaha

All that aside - as Obama himself has admitted, he was born with dual loyalities and THAT FACT, and THAT FACT alone precludes him from being eligible to be POTUS.

It would be nice if he released ALL his records and kept his campaign promise about that TRANSPARENCY thing he kept spouting - but NONE Of his records have anything to do with his NOT being eligible.

He is NOT a natural born citizen, with or without the vault BC - so he is NOT eligible.

PERIOD.

Yes, it's a great bill - I hope it gets passed.

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Posted by Sally Hill on 03/05/2009 at 7:28 AM

obama stands for nothing good

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Posted by rh on 03/04/2009 at 10:20 PM

To: Ray
Ray said:
�One last comment- has anyone seen Washingtons, Adams, Jeffersons, ect. ect. ect. birth certificates? Did birth certificates even exist when the constitution was written?�

Ray, please read the �Natural Born Clause� of the Constitution. You will find that they made exception for themselves as they were British. Nevertheless, the Constitution they created is the supreme law of the land. However, so far the lower and the higher courts make the Constitution unenforceable using the flexible Standing Doctrine. It seems, the judges are hell-bent to protect BHO�s secret. There are now about 40 lawsuits. None of them were ruled on merit. All which reached that stage were thrown out based on the �Standing Doctrine�.

And he may have been born in Hawaii. But then why fight it and spend big money and political capital to protect those documents? Is a politician not a pubic figure? Do citizens have the right to know who they vote for?

So, face it dear follow citizens: The Constitution is unenforceable. The respect of law is no better than in any good Banana Republic. And Congress, the Judiciary Branch, the state law makers (with Missouri�s rare exception) and about half of our fellow citizens like it this way or don�t give a rat�s ass.

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Posted by Voco Indubium on 03/04/2009 at 10:15 PM

Also, Scruzman makes good points because it is also required for a President to be able to prove 14 years residency, and he seems to have a lot of years he isn't verifying for.

As for Alfred's comment,
look at my blog and the certification of live birth,
in the lower right hand corner in teeny, tiny print is a legal notice:
[HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]
and THOSE are the applicable statutes and THEY were in effect when Barack Hussein Obama was born,
so I suggest Alfred,
with all respect,
that you take the time to look at my blog and SEE the DIGITAL PHOTOS OF THE APPLICABLE LAWS.
http://crisericson2010.blogspo...

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Posted by Ms. Cris Ericson on 03/04/2009 at 9:56 PM

God Bless them!
I agree!
On my little blog I have posted the certification of live birth and applicable Laws for everyone to SEE
that there is genuinely REASONABLE DOUBT
that President Obama may NOT be a natural born citizen.
http://crisericson2010.blogspo...

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Posted by Ms. Cris Ericson on 03/04/2009 at 9:50 PM

I think that this is a bad bill for Missouri taking attention away from other work that the legislature should be doing.

If the state that the canidate is from did not raise an issue then Missouri should not have a problem. This bill, if passed. will only result in a costly legal battle and a court order to place the canidate on the ballot.

As for the comment from ShowMe not knowing that African is a race. In the pre-computer days you were not restricted to what you could put in a blank space. I suspect the clerk typed what was printed on the application. Many Africans I know would responed to the question of race by saying they were African.

One last comment- has anyone seen Washingtons, Adams, Jeffersons, ect. ect. ect. birth certificates? Did birth certificates even exist when the constitution was written?

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Posted by RJ on 03/04/2009 at 8:33 PM

To: Anonymous

�The proposed bill as it is written, is unconstitutional as it violates the "full Faith" clause of the U.S. Constitution.�

Interesting new theory. Will you explain it, please?

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Posted by Voco Indubium on 03/04/2009 at 8:33 PM

Back to the original subject of this thread.

The proposed bill as it is written, is unconstitutional as it violates the "full Faith" clause of the U.S. Constitution.

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Posted by Anonymous on 03/04/2009 at 7:07 PM

You want his medical records? Ever hear of HIPPA?

I hate how some people in this thread want Obama to give up personal information that they themselves wouldn't want everyone to know.

I think that there is already too much that people can learn about me or anybody just by Googling or paying some company online for a "background check".

I'm a really boring person - a housewife - but I still would like to have some control over my personal information. I don't want just anyone to be able to look up my birth certificate, read my college papers, peruse old grades from school, or some of the other stuff I've done in life. It's pretty creepy and kinda stalker-y, really.

Some of the people on this page remind me of teens on MySpace revealing their most intimate actions. Just because the internet has made it "okay" to be an attention whore and tell people all about the minutiae of your life, that doesn't mean that people are obligated to give you information that is private.

It's not about liking Obama or not - it's about personal privacy and BOUNDARIES.

Obama has set boundaries, just like McCain did during the campaign. Like it or not, you need to respect those boundaries.

Also, why are people worried about THIS when there is a DEPRESSION?!? I think the elected officials in MO should be helping those of us who need assistance or public support or jobs . NOT worrying about this, because it makes us look like a bunch of sore losers who don't have their priorities in order.

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Posted by Embarassed in Missouri on 03/04/2009 at 7:06 PM

---"The simple fact of the matter is millions of Americans truly believe this guy is a fraud. Myself included."---

So what?

Millions more voted for him.

Stop being a sore loser and come back to reality.

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Posted by A on 03/04/2009 at 6:55 PM

Show me, if it wasn't real, if the online COLB did not match the information on the original certificate, why didn't the republican run state of Hawaii point that out? Certainly enough of you wingnuts have called and pestered them about this. Altering or presenting a false certified document is a crime in Hawaii. The State of Hawaii is capable and authorized to maintain the accuracy of their records and to pursue allegations of fraud.

Why haven't they?

Why?

Why?

Why?

Why hasn't the state stepped up and said, hey wait a minute, that COLB posted on line has been altered.

Why?

Why?

Why?

Why hasn't the state Registrar fulfilled his sworn duty to uphold the laws of his office?

Why?

Why?

Why?

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Posted by Anonymous on 03/04/2009 at 6:50 PM

So you really believe that the online certificate is real. I didn't know that "African" (his fathers listed race) was even a race. The simple fact of the matter is millions of Americans truly believe this guy is a fraud. Myself included. He won't even address this problem with the public. He keeps on letting his lawyers handle it. It will never go away until he come forward with the truth. The truth will set him free.......Or land him in jail.

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Posted by ShowMe on 03/04/2009 at 6:42 PM

Hey, Bill. Walgreen's just called, your meds are ready.

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Posted by Anonymous on 03/04/2009 at 6:28 PM

---"Why did he go back and have it sealed?"---

He didn't. It is automatically protected under state law.

Why should he keep going back for more and more copies of something he has already made public?

Come on, get real here. Your tin foil is on a bit too tight.

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Posted by Alferd P on 03/04/2009 at 6:26 PM

I thank the citizens portrayed in your �news placement� for the courage to stand up and ask the tough questions for all of us. While I at first may not have agreed I respect, and defend their right and obligation to do such.

Your news story content is rather disappointing and clearly not reflecting good journalism to say the least! I beg the MSM to serve the citizens and our country by digging into this critical issue. We desperately need subsequent rigorous reporting the facts as they lay out. From the brief scan of the international press we have a lot of very diverse legal activity in process concerning this issue including many Officers of our US Military up to SCOTUS! Further the SCOTUS has side stepped any position so far sighting standing. Well I venture the latest round of individuals has a lot of standing as injured parties.
Apparently this has flushed out Mr. Obama and his henchmen to go on the attack. However he has been reported to have made a grave error in tactics and strategy in doing so! Now given the approach of this �news placement� I ask Mr. Obama are you a Usurper or are you oiur POTUS? Yes or No?
Rule 5 for revolutionaries and radicals dedicates that a person that questions and or challenges (performing critical thinking) be marginalized and demonized. Further that the fundamental issue be distorted and reflected back inverted plus spin. Well this �news placement� is a classic case of such concerning those loyal American Citizens and citizens that subscribe to our Constitutional Republic with a representative democracy under the rule of law. Moreover subscribe to the constitutional requirements for POTUS. Have The MSM and Mr. Obama gone out of their way to game the game and behave in a passive aggressive manner since the primarily and general election refusing to provide the fundamental information?. Yes, has the juice may have been applied and the fix might be in with the ruling class? If yes that is not enough to halt this speculation or worst.. I continue to hope that he - Obama can get this issue out of the way following the rule of law and get on with the important duties of POTUS. However if he is not qualified and hence is in fact a Usurper then I suggest that he / Obama make a decision to depart the office of POTUS and save his country (I hope it is realy his country), party and congress at large the embarrassment of trials and hearings. That is he might decide for health reasons or what ever face saving story and just quietly leave. The wheels of justice grin rather slowly but they do grind exceeding fine. May God Bless America and give us strength to save our Republic with critical thinking under the rule of law and not the rule of men or bullets.

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Posted by William F Horan on 03/04/2009 at 5:59 PM

Alfred, If he really released it, Why did he go back and have it sealed? As far as my business, it is my business as a taxpayer. Don't get all in a tizzy because you realise you may have elected a fraud.

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Posted by ShowMe on 03/04/2009 at 5:59 PM

He has release a copy of his birth certificate.

As for the other records, they are none of your damned business.

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Posted by Alferd P on 03/04/2009 at 5:52 PM

Still no one c has or can answer these questions.....Please tell us why Obama has hid his birth certificate and college records with a team of lawyers? Why not just be transparent like he promised? What is he hiding? Or better yet. Why is he hiding/sealing these things?

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Posted by ShowMe on 03/04/2009 at 5:50 PM

This is a bad bill and it makes Missouri look silly.

For those waving the Constitution around: where does it say "birth certificate"?

The state government of Hawaii says Obama was born there and there is no law that says he needs any further evidence of being a "Natural Born Citizen."

Seriously, where is the law that says otherwise?

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Posted by Winston Smith on 03/04/2009 at 5:48 PM

Those of us that believe that Obama is not a natural born citizen must rise up and take back control of the Republican Party.

This is an important issue that should be on every Republican talking points list!!!

Call your representative now.

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Posted by Anonymous on 03/04/2009 at 5:46 PM

Ah...the Birther movement hits the Heartland. True story � one of the leading founders of this argument also believes 9-11 was a conspiracy theory too.

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Posted by Nick Sloan on 03/04/2009 at 5:39 PM

cccc you state: ---"If you knew the laws of Hawaii then you would know that anyone can have one of thse reguardless of where they were born."---

That is not true.

That is a total miss-characterization of Hawaiian statutes.

---[�338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, �1]---

Note the very last part.

THIS LAW WAS PASSED IN 1982, 20 YEARS AFTER OBAMA WAS BORN The COLB information was filed with the state four days after he was born.

Once again, for the terminally stupide here:

THIS LAW WAS PASSED IN 1982, 20 YEARS AFTER OBAMA WAS BORN
THIS LAW WAS PASSED IN 1982, 20 YEARS AFTER OBAMA WAS BORN
THIS LAW WAS PASSED IN 1982, 20 YEARS AFTER OBAMA WAS BORN
THIS LAW WAS PASSED IN 1982, 20 YEARS AFTER OBAMA WAS BORN
THIS LAW WAS PASSED IN 1982, 20 YEARS AFTER OBAMA WAS BORN

get it??????

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Posted by Alferd P on 03/04/2009 at 5:25 PM

BTW, the State of Hawaii no longer issues photostatic copies of the original forms. All birth data is entered into a database and the COLB is printed from that.

This means that EVERY request for a copy of the BC will be result in a certified COLB.

In fact, the state is doing away with the hard copy long form altogether. everything is digital now.

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Posted by Anonymous on 03/04/2009 at 5:21 PM

Kelly wrote: --"Your man of high integrity won the Ill. Senate Seat after trashing his opponents leaving him to be the only one running, and if you loose in a one-man race you got real troubles."--

Obama's opponent, trashed himself when the sordid details of his sex life came out.

When Ryan dropped out, the GOP tried to run that crazy Alan Keyes against Obama.

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Posted by Alferd P on 03/04/2009 at 5:18 PM

This proposed law states:

----"Other certifications, such as a certificate of live birth, shall not be accepted."---

Since other states (like Hawaii) do consider a certificate of live birth to be a valid evidence of of birth, the State of Missouri is not allowed to discount that. otherwise this bill would be in violation of the "full faith" clause of the U.S. Constitution.

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Posted by Alferd P on 03/04/2009 at 5:14 PM

Sorry but this is an excellent bill to pass. Contrary to what you have said Obama has never produced a birt certificate, he produced a certificate of live birth which is something completely different. If you knew the laws of Hawaii then you would know that anyone can have one of thse reguardless of where they were born.Oe of the comanding generals in the Japanese army during WWII boasted of having one,too even though he was born in Tokoyo.Way are you and Obama afriad of showing it?Obama has spent in excess of a million dollars keeping his secret when he could spend $2o for a copy show it and put this to rest. Why would he do that if there is nothing to hide?

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Posted by cccc on 03/04/2009 at 5:07 PM

Rule 5 for revolutionaries and radicals dedicates that a person that questions and or challenges (performing critical thinking) be marginalized and demonized. Further that the fundamental issue be distorted and reflected back inverted plus spin. Well this is a classic case of such concerning those loyal American Citizens and citizens that subscribe to our Constitutional Republic with a representative democracy under the rule of law. Moreover subscribe to the constitutional requirements for POTUS. The MSM and Mr. Obama have gone out of their way to game the game and behave in a passive aggressive manner since the primarily and general election refusing to provide the fundamental information. Yes, the juice may have been applied and the fix might be in with the ruling class but that is not enough. I continue to hope that he Obama can get this out of the way following the rule of law and get on with the important duties of POTUS. However if he is not qualified than I suggest that he make a decision to depart the office of POTUS and save his party and congress at large thee embarrassment of trials and hearings. That is he might decide for health reasons or what ever face saving story and just quietly leave. The wheels of justice grin rather slowly but they do grind exceeding fine. May God Bless and give us strength to save America.

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Posted by wfh on 03/04/2009 at 5:05 PM

Rule 5 for revolutionaries and radicals dedicates that a person that questions and or challenges (performing critical thinking) be marginalized and demonized. Further that the fundamental issue be distorted and reflected back inverted plus spin. Well this is a classic case of such concerning those loyal American Citizens and citizens that subscribe to our Constitutional Republic with a representative democracy under the rule of law. Moreover subscribe to the constitutional requirements for POTUS. The MSM and Mr. Obama have gone out of their way to game the game and behave in a passive aggressive manner since the primarily and general election refusing to provide the fundamental information. Yes, the juice may have been applied and the fix might be in with the ruling class but that is not enough. I continue to hope that he Obama can get this out of the way following the rule of law and get on with the important duties of POTUS. However if he is not qualified than I suggest that he make a decision to depart the office of POTUS and save his party and congress at large thee embarrassment of trials and hearings. That is he might decide for health reasons or what ever face saving story and just quietly leave. The wheels of justice grin rather slowly but they do grind exceeding fine. May God Bless and give us strength to save America.

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Posted by wfh on 03/04/2009 at 5:05 PM

tip of the iceberg if you ask me.

Original birth certificate �Unavailable
Obama/Dunham marriage license -Unavailable
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -Unavailable
Soetoro adoption records- Unavailable
Dept.of Education Hawaii Kindergarten Records�Unavailable
Punahou School records-Unavailable
Occidental College records �Unavailable
Passport (Pakistan) - Unavailable
Columbia College �Unavailable
Columbia thesis �Unavailable
(Topic: Nuclear Disarmament, written during Cold War �83)
Harvard College records -Unavailable
Harvard Law Review articles �Unavailable
(Evidence that one may have been written, yet it is unsigned)
Baptism certificate �Unavailable
Medical records -Unavailable
Illinois State Senate records -None
Illinois State Senate schedule �Lost
Law practice client list � Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles � None on file
Indonesian Besuki School Application�Located
(Enrolled with name Barry Soetoro-faith �Islam�)
Selective Service Registration- -� Released, but suspected as fraudulent

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Posted by scruzman on 03/04/2009 at 4:57 PM

Cost of original copy of birth certificate-$12
Cost of defending multiple "natural born" lawsuits-$120,000
Getting called a "KOOK" for simply wondering why not spend the $12 instead=PRICELESS!!!

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Posted by Steve on 03/04/2009 at 4:53 PM

Your man of high integrity won the Ill. Senate Seat after trashing his opponents leaving him to be the only one running, and if you loose in a one-man race you got real troubles.

As far as Obama showing his Birth Certificate to Prove he is a Natural Born Citizen, what's the Problem we here in Missouri Had to show ours just to get our Drivers License renewed or did you forget that, why didn't they just take your word that you were who you said you were.

This issue is about the United States Constitution, Article II Section I Paragraph 5. Nothing more Nothing less, and the only reason it is an issue is because of two things, The many different circumstances of his birth, and the fact that instead of showing the one ten dollar piece of paper he has spent to date nearly 1 million to protect it from being shown, that says in very loud words he has something to hide, You figure out what that might be.

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Posted by Kelly J on 03/04/2009 at 4:28 PM
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