When members of Bite Club of KC made their case to stop the deer harvest planned for Shawnee Mission Park, they often conjured gruesome imagery.
Addressing the Johnson County Board of Park and Recreation Commissioners in recent months, animal rights activists predicted terrified, half-dead deer, with arrows stuck in their anatomy, bolting into traffic or dragging their bloodied bodies onto family doorsteps.
They suggested that deer corpses would be abandoned, scattered to rot in the woods, and the family park would reek like a slaughterhouse.
One activist predicted that area children would be traumatized by the sight of such carnage and the local school district would have to contend with a rash of behavioral problems.
Ken Payne, president of Heartland Suburban Whitetail Management, scoffs at such predictions.
"It's amazing how some people have just lost touch with reality," Payne says.
Payne isn't one of the sharpshooters out in the park harvesting deer this month. But he has been a vocal supporter of the hunt -- and he may get his chance come Christmas time. If the sharpshooters don't reduce the herd from 200 to 50 deer per acre, Shawnee Mission Park will be opened for a special bow hunt in December.
Animal rights advocates think that's the height of brutality. In a letter to the district this summer, Stephanie Boyles, a wildlife specialist with the Humane Society of the United States, called bow hunting "undeniably cruel and completely indefensible." "According to a summation of results from 19 different studies," Boyles wrote, "the average bow hunting wounding rate is 55 percent and the average number of shots per kill is 17. That means for every animal dragged from the woods by a bow hunter, at least one animal is left to suffer and die a slow, excruciating death."
Payne disagrees with such statistics. "To say they [deer] run for days with arrows stuck in them, that's just ridiculous," he says. "I've taken 50 plus deer with my bow, and I've never had one run more than 10 yards or live longer than 30 seconds. My 14-year-old son took one last weekend, and it was four seconds before it went down. It's very quick."
In January, he organized a hunt on private land right across the street from Shawnee Mission Park. Over the course of 70 hours, about 20 hunters harvested more than 30 deer. "There were no problems with surrounding land owners or neighbors," he says. "No accidents. All the animals were recovered. It went very well. We'll probably end up doing it again this coming January."
While activists like Jason Miller, the founder of Bite Club of KC, describe hunters as bloodthirsty and callous, Payne says his members are considerate of other citizens. "Anybody involved with my group knows you have to be covert, keep an eye out," he says. "Some people are squeamish when it comes to blood. That's understandable." Payne doesn't buy the animal rights argument that children will be traumatized by a bow hunt in Shawnee Mission Park, either. "My girlfriend's got three girls and they go with us," he says of hunting. "My 8-year-old goes with me. It's a lot of rhetoric."
Aside from the blood and guts, Miller argues Kansas officials have unclean hands for another reason: "They're making money off hunting licenses. It's about money."
Lloyd Fox, program coordinator for Big Game at the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks, says that's not the case. A bow hunt in Shawnee Mission Park won't mean a windfall for KDWP, he explains, because most hunters will already have an applicable hunting permit. "Changes to this particular park will have minor, if any, effects on total permit sales," he suggests.
To ensure humane kills, the bow hunters in Shawnee Mission Park will need more than a state permit. "They'll go through additional training here, that we administer, related to safety and proficiency," says Randy Knight, community relations manager for Johnson County Park and Recreation. "They'll have to pass a proficiency test to show us their ability to effectively help us reduce this herd."
If Johnson County Parks and Rec needs bow hunters in December, Payne says he'll be the first to take the training and get in line. He certainly won't be deterred by any protesters at the park gates.
"They're using emotion instead of reason and logic," he says. "All their arguments are based on emotion, not sound biological data. We need to do something or Mother Nature will take over and kill the deer in her way. Disease and starvation are a whole lot uglier than us going in there and taking them out."
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Hunters are dead inside, but they don't know it. To kill for pleasure beings that feel pain and suffering and also have families is the mark of a person without compassion, morality or ethics. Hunting is a legal way to commit murder. It is cruel and selfish and cowardly. And it's not a sport. The animal can't shoot back. Hunters will always tell you that hunting is more than killing as if that justifies the needless taking of life. It's a waste of time trying to reason with heartless people blinded and consumed with the love of killing. And it should be no surprise that killers would also be liars.
Really can't believe the ignorance of So called Humane Society. I have my own problems with Kansas Deer, and it's the fact there was a 7 year old kid killed in the KC Metro area last year, one killed how many injured. How many people lost there vehicles to deer and weren't compensated by the state of Kansas. Fouth Amendment says the State shall not take from a citizen any property with out jist compensation (eminent domain)Kansas and all other States derive revenue by selling permits for Deer, their argument for the reason for the number of Deer is that Humans are encroching on their space. These Deer are in such numbers because they are ward of the state and protected, and used as a business for profit, at the expense of property ownersm Do these wards of the State of Kansas pay taxes, no, if they take property and don't pay compensation the only remedy is detention. The State of Kansas and all it's Park System's Infringe on the rights under the Fifth Amendment compensation when property is taken or damaged for public use. We see time after time when these Bill of Rights are taken to the Supreme Court they are Interpeted in a Literal fashion. In the right to bear arms, it didn't find that citizens had to be limited to hunting rifles, I don't like it but you can buy a AK47 if you want. When the States took away Citzens right to trial by Jury with the outragous circuvention of this Bill of Rights by saying that Driving was a prividledge. When it made it's way to the Supreme Court the literal interpetation prevailed. That as state in the original bill of rights all people have the right to a Jury Trial. When Kansas makes Criminals out of citizens for protecting their crops on there land, which deer(wards of the state) eat a farmers corn. If he does anything to retrieve the cost of the corn he is denied, and if he shoots the animal he is a poacher. This is illegal of course and will eventually make it to the Supreme Court for what has been shown in pecedence, a literal interpation, that the landown is to be compensated for the damage done by the ward of the state, which also covers the poor fella that lost his car or life. 200 deaths in the USA due to hitting deer in 2008. Kansas stand up for law don't put yourself in the ignorance and inhumanity of the Humane Society.
The people that want to make villian's out of those who hunt, need to look back in history and see who's responsible for bringing back the animals who were all but exterpated due to market hunting in the late 1800's and early 1900's.
Read about Teddy Roosevelt, Aldo Leopold and others like them. Conservationists (i.e. hunters/fisherman), not groups like Sierra Club and the Humane Society, are the one's to be thanked.
As far as taking my children hunting and passing on traditions and our heritage, it's far better than letting their minds rot in front of the TV or video games. At least I know where they are, do you???
Mary there are 150 billion pounds of edible food wasted in America every year please watch the video on my name link.
Venison eaters has died from CWD/Mad deer disease and grounde up venison (how venison is fed to pantries) is the most dangerous practice of feeding venison because it only takes one infected deer to poison hundreds of people.
"Terminally ill Utah hunter, age 30, could be the first victim of U.S. 'mad
deer' disease," read the headline of a press release issued last week from the
Center for Food Safety in Washington, D.C.
(there are more to the list of dead but can't put link here)
Creutzfeldt-Jakob (CJD) is showing up in the USA. It is caused by Prions, a type of protein that live in livestock and infect humans that eat food products of infected livestock. Prions also seem to cause Mad Cow disease. All blood from infected people is contaminated and spreads the disease if used in transfusions. There is no blood test to determine infection so blood banks can't screen for it. Offspring of infected livestock are born infected. Both parents and offspring can be slaughtered long before symptoms appear.
Your Brain on Prions, Note the Congestion of Blood Vessels
(can't put link here but go to the link on my name)
"Human incubation is 20 to 40 years, but no one survives more than two years after Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) goes active. Unlike AIDS, CJD can kill almost all known species of vertebrates. Unlike bacteria or virus, Prions are not killed by several minutes of boiling, baking, chlorine, alcohol or by any known antibiotic or antiviral agent."
"More Serious than AIDS: Creutzfeldt-Jakob"
Now its turning up in W. VA
Hunters turn up CWD in W.Va. deer herd
by Farm and Dairy Staff
CHARLESTON, W.Va. � Preliminary test results indicate the chronic wasting disease (CWD) agent was present in five hunter-harvested deer collected in Hampshire County, W.Va., during the 2008 deer firearms hunting season.
As part of our agencys ongoing and intensive CWD monitoring effort, samples were collected from 1,355 hunter-harvested deer brought to game checking stations in Hampshire County and one station near the southern Hampshire County line in Hardy County, noted Frank Jezioro, director for the West Virginia Division of Natural Resources.
The five CWD positive deer included one 4.5 year-old doe, two 2.5 year-old bucks, one 4.5 year-old buck and one 1.5 year-old buck.
I advise the pantries to stop taking venison from hunters!
Also CWD just been found in Michigan its spreading fast and hunters are risking death to the people at the pantries. How about the pesticides in the deer being that people were compalining about tulips right? I am sure lawns were sprayed with pesticides so not only do you risk CWD but pesticides to these people. YOu are so pro-kill then you eat it and I suggest everyone of the hunters in your town take the meat and let them eat it.
There are 150 billions pounds edible food wasted in America every year, if you "care" about the hungry then salvage those and help feed the hungry.
Those fat motherfudgers protesting, I guarantee you stop by fast food joints four times a week and huff down cow and pig buttholes like they are going out of style.
Why do they protest this issue? Donating the meat to feed the hungry sounds like the smartest thing the city government has done in a while.
. "I've taken 50 plus deer with my bow, and I've never had one run more than 10 yards or live longer than 30 seconds. My 14-year-old son took one last weekend, and it was four seconds before it went down. It's very quick."
Also "down" does not mean suffering has ended that is when when the pain and suffering actually begins after the rush running from fear and terror. IF you "dropped" when hit does that mean your suffering will be over? NO.
HOw sad to teach your young child to kill when you can teach the boy compassion and mercy. Stop calling it a "harvest" they are not potatoes you pluck from the ground, deer are sentient being who runs because they don't want to die. When you "harvest" they are ready to be picked and plants are just about dead some beyond dead. (God says it time to feed man). IN case of deer they have many more years to live, they run because they don't want to feel pain nor die and what worse is with man killing animals especially with an arrow, they have to let the deer "lay up and die"..Where is the mercy? You don't have to let potatoes "lay up and die" and potatoes don't run. Its KILLING not "Harvest" .
"took one"? Just say your 14 yr old boy "killed one". Its does not sound so nice does it to say KILL KILL KILL and that is what Shawnee Mission Parks is going to turn into is one big killing field.
WAtch the video (click onto my name) that is Morris County NJ now have total of 18 parks they kill . Has DVA's gone down? NO. Is there still deer problems? YES and now the bowkillers are everywhere shedding blood and endadgering your lives.
The hunting communties spends SO much time creating large deer herd preferably the buck deer for sports killing and that is why any state that has hunting will always have so many deer. Read some of the comments I have found in "deer management" website
"The number of new deer added to the pre-hunt population is a function of the number of fawns born and their survival until until the fall. The number of fawns born is primarily determined by the number of does, but the survival of fawns, however, is mostly dependent upon the physical condition of does, although predation is certainly a factor is some situations. A large number of does that are nutritionally stressed will not raise as many fawns to be added to the fall population as a lesser number of healthy does." Deer Hunting and Management TX
"Thus, late fall up to early winter is very important for deer herd managers to impact and influence fawn production, so make sure the plant communities on your property is properly managed deer habitat. " Deer Hunting and Management TX
"Some people disagree with shooting antlerless deer; they reason that protecting them -- thus maintaining a maximum breeding base -- will assure large numbers of antlered bucks because terrific numbers of deer will be born each year and button bucks wouldn't be harvested. "PA. Game Commission
"Historically in all states, including West Virginia, hunting regulation have been restrictive during the period of deer restoration with mainly short buck-only season to protect does and encourage deer population growth. As deer becomes more abundant, more liberal hunting regulations including antlerless harvest are required to limit population growth." Fundamentals of Deer Management W. VA.
P.129 "With supplemental feeding, it becomes very easy to maitain artificialy high deer densities and still obtain adequate results in terms of antler and body growth." Producing Quality Whitetails Revised Edition
Al Brothers and Murphy E. Ray, Jr. Edited by Charly McTee
" Thus, does are healthier, reproductive
success is higher and more does are able to carry two fawns. Ironically, this can result in a greater deer harvest each year." Quality Deer Management
Hunting organization are synomymous with lies. (Fish and wildlife/DEC/Fish and Games...etc)
Remember Compensatory Rebound Effect (CRE)
Q: What is the compensatory rebound effect? A:
The compensatory rebound effect is the reproductive response of a species by which a sudden increase in food resources, due to a sudden decrease in the population, induces a high reproductive rate. When applied to deer, it means that when large populations are killed, the remaining deer benefit from enhanced food supply and begin to produce more deer (twins) and begin to reproduce at a younger age (as early as 1 yr. old).
And you can tell the hunting organization take advantage of CRE and boost the CRE by food plots and supplement feeding.
You can't post anything here because so far 4 of mine has not been posted except the above two.
The subject was on lyme disease, compensatory rebound, the lies of the hunting industry etc etc. Just click onto my name and it will take you to my blogger please read and learn.
Shawnee Mission Park will end up with more deer in the long run and lots of sadistic bowkillers slaughtering them for fun.
You can see how cold hearted bowhunters are and death does not come in "30 seconds" for bowhuted deer, that is the biggest lie of bowhuters!
"Its best for whitetail deer archers to let deer lie for a while prior to tracking unless active precipitation or oncoming precipitation is present. Blood will get washed away leaving no clues. In active precipitation whitetail deer must be pursued no matter what kind of shot was made on the animal. Always remember to proceed quietly and cautiously when tracking the wounded or hit whitetail deer as to not kick the animal back up. Animals that lay up after a hit often times clot up and if kicked back up can leave no blood trail resulting in no retrieval. Also the hunter always needs to take his or her weapon on the tracking of the whitetail deer that has been hit as a follow up shot may be required. Don�t ever track a deer without bringing you weapon."
"My first experience with a liver shot deer was in Illinois. The track began with purple blood and thanks to an experienced hunter that was accompanying me we immediately stopped tracking the deer and went into town for dinner and some soda. Liver shot deer can take up to 5 hours to pass on. Remember that the dark purple blood is a direct clue of a liver or kidney contact on a whitetail deer. These shots are not shots that you should employ an immediate pursuit of. You can�t let whitetail deer that are shot in these areas lie too long. Patience will result in recovery."
* After shooting the deer, stay in your stand and be quiet for the
recommended time. A noise might push your deer away. He could be bedded down less than 100 yards away.
The Leg- If the leg was hit bone fragments usually can be found. The deer for that matter can still go a long way and if you will pursue him right away you will push the deer to run further for cover on the thick green woods or through the water in the creek or river. This will make it difficult for you to trace him. The best thing you should do is to wait a little longer until such time that they fall tired. They will lie down or definitely die. That�s the time you look for the traces of blood and most likely not too far from where you originally shot it if you wait.
"Unless you can see the deer lying on the ground, STAY where you are for a while. If you were using a firearm, wait up to half an hour. If using a bow, wait at least a couple of hours. If you think it was a gut shot, wait 6-8 hours before tracking the deer."
("recommended time" and its NOT "30 seconds")
I see the word "wait" a lot with bowhunting or "have a smoke" and in this case "dinner and soda" as the animal lay suffering and dying. Of all the bowkilling website I have visited there is no NO talk of mercy nor compassion for the animals. NOTHING.!
There was other parts to this post and if does not show up by tomorrow I will post it again because the public needs to know the truth.
First thing I want to say is that monster up there with the murdered deer is the most pathetic and disgusting site ever. I could never have my children even look at the page I am writing on because he will see the deer he loves with all his heart murdered from selfish serial killers of wildlife.
This is what deer killing is about..
http://www.youtube.com/view_pl...
Not a pretty site but I belive everyone who is pro-kill in Shawnee Mission should take a look becasue that is what going to come to your park after all these mass slaughtering.
How about the young doe suffocating in her own blood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
because that is how most bowhunted deer dies and its not "30 second". In bowhunting manual they are told to wait at least MINIMUM of 30-45 min before tracking the deer sometimes longer.
"Ethical hunters says "let the deer layup and die".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
These are collection of quote I have found when I visit many "tracking wounded deer" sites and other wildlife serial killers blogger and forums. The quote shows how long it takes for the animals to die. The video is put together by me with time I spend everyday reading up about hunting especially bowkilling because its the most barbaric of all and they know that in bowhunting the death is never "quick".
I am sure most of you have heard of Compensatory Rebound Effect
Q: What is the compensatory rebound effect? A: The compensatory rebound effect is the reproductive response of a species by which a sudden increase in food resources, due to a sudden decrease in the population, induces a high reproductive rate. When applied to deer, it means that when large populations are killed, the remaining deer benefit from enhanced food supply and begin to produce more deer (twins) and begin to reproduce at a younger age (as early as 1 yr. old).
More on the link...
http://defendurbanwildlife.org...
Lastly before I go to bed...
* A lung-shot deer will run hard 50 to 65 yards. After that he will
usually walk until he falls. The blood will sometimes have tiny bubbles in it. This blood trail usually gets better as you track the deer. However, if the deer is hit high in the lungs, the blood trail may sometimes become light and even disappear completely. The deer could be "filling up" inside with blood, showing very little external bleeding. The hair from the lung area is coarse and brown with black tips. The deer will usually go down in less than 125 yards. Give the deer 30 minutes before tracking.
* A heart-shot deer will sometimes jump wildly when hit. The blood trail may be sparse for the first 20 yards or so. A heart shot deer may track as much as a quarter of a mile, depending on what part of the heart is damaged. The usual is less than 125 yards. The hair from this shot will be long brown or grayish guard hairs. Again, a 30 minute wait is advised. But, if while trailing you find where he has bedded back off and wait an hour before taking up the trail again.
* A liver-shot deer. The liver lies against the diaphragm in the
approximate center of the deer. It is a definite killing shot. The blood trail will be decent to follow and the deer should bed down and die within 200 yards, if not pushed. A one-hour wait is best. The hair from the liver area is brownish gray and much shorter than the hair from the lung area. If you push the deer out of his bed, back off and wait another hour.
I don't see "30 seconds" do you?
'Lost touch with reality' is an excellent way to describe the ludicrous situation in the country these days. People think we are living in a Disney movie, where all deer are Bambi. Where lions frolic with zebras and do not eat them. Is it more humane to allow these deer to be hit by cars and trucks or to starve? How far do we let animals overrun us? Raccoons, skunks, and others carry rabies and leptospirosis. Coyotes threaten our kids and pets. I like animals, but I don't like them in my backyard. What is really maddening, is the push for veganism from Animal Rights groups. If we eliminated meat and meat products (dairy, cheese, eggs, etc.) from our food supply, I expect we would have mass starvation. Even in a good year, without any drought or blight, how could we feed our nation and large parts of the world on corn, soybeans, and vegetables? We would, see when food becomes scarce, everyone out hunting to get whatever they can to feed their families. People who have it really good find it so easy to sit back and tell the majority what we can and cannot do. I am sick to death of this, and it trickles all the way down to our right or ability to own our pets. It's insane! This country needs to GET REAL about a lot of things, including what the ARs are doing to us.
Please let me throw in my 2 cents. I am originally from upstate NY where folks like Jason Miller got the upper hand. Because of hunting restrictions the area is plagued with deer. no one can keep a garden nor any foliage around the house, It all gets eaten to 6 ft off the ground. Lymes disease is deadly and is carried by the deer tick, which is a pin point size tick hardly noticeable unless you are aware to look for them. These deer carry them everywhere and the ticks can drop off in your yard. My dad died in NY, killed by lymes disease, contracted by just cutting the grass in his yard.
The natural balance of game and predator has been disrupted by development so Jason please, let the Dept. of Wildlife and Parks do their job.
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