It's tough, trying to get change through the system. You have to commit yourself to your cause, work long hours, and scrape together cash -- all while preparing yourself for the strong possibility that you won't actually get anywhere. But finally an issue is put before the people, and you trust in the wisdom of the good men and women of Missouri to decide a course that is best for all.
Hahaha! If you really think that, you're stupid! Voting doesn't matter! You dumb fucks. That's why puppies will now be forced to drink diarrhea.
Even though the Puppy Mill Cruelty Prevention Act won at the ballot last fall, the House Agriculture Policy Committee unanimously passed HB 131, which essentially guts the voter-approved act. Among the provisions that the bill removes are such things as requiring the dog's water to be free of "debris, feces, algae, and other contaminants" and making sure a breeder isn't limited to just 50 bitches for breeding purposes. It also removes "the provision requiring owners to provide adequate shelter from the elements, sufficient housing, sufficient space to turn and stretch freely, necessary veterinary care, and adequate rest between breeding cycles." Yes, truly, allowing a dog to sleep after giving birth to a litter would've made us all socialists. It's a slippery slope.
Far-left screwballs, who think that if you breed dogs for a living, you should probably give them "necessary veterinary care," tried to talk to the committee but were essentially ignored. The ASPCA's Tim Rickey spoke with our sister paper The Riverfront Times about HB 131:
The ASPCA's Tim Rickey estimates that approximately 50 Prop Bsupporters came to the Statehouse yesterday to express their support for
the new law and make clear their opposition to repealing or gutting the
new laws mandated by the ballot proposition.
But it may be toolittle too late to stop HB 131, which earned the unanimous vote of the
House Agriculture Policy Committee Tuesday.
Rickey says that, in some cases, the legislators refused even to paylip service to the Prop B supporters yesterday. "That part was pretty
disappointing," he tells Daily RFT. "Some senators were willing
to meet and engage with us, but we had some that were not. They were
just dead set on gutting Prop B."
You should check out all of the RFT's report on this. When you're done reading, you'll sleep safer knowing that Missourians can still cram a dog into a tiny space with no roof where it can poop in its water dish, where it will spend its entire life in a state of constant pregnancy so that you can buy its offspring for $300 at Petland.
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We just read that the vet Jim Foster is contemplating euthanizing an entire kennel.
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Jim Foster
February 23 at 1:41pm
I have a kennel client who is contemplating euthanizing their entire kennel. They have lost their trust in rescues and do not want to become a target of the activists".
http://www.facebook.com/pages/...
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Possibly Stouffer has uncovered a local HSUS/ al-Qaida cell.
Fear of being an 'activist target' is certainly a creative excuse to for the breeders to rid themselves of dogs.
Whomever has breed rescue contacts in that area (Shelbina), please pass this info on to them..
We will pass this info on to the Humane Society of Missouri and to the pro-prop B FB sites in case they have breed-rescue contacts..
Please call Jim Foster and POLITELY and RESPECTFULLY ask him to PLEASE wait until the breed rescues can at least be notified before he euthanizes the dogs.
Foster, Jim DVM - Red Barn Veterinary Service
(573) 588-4472
528 E Maple St, Shelbina,
Please tell me how the current hot trend to 'rescue' 'puppy mill survivors' does NOT feed the actual puppy mills? Do you really think those scoundrels care how many times a dog is recycled? The money's the same to them.
Fashion Trends in dogs rarely bodes well for them ... this is no different.
Not to worry, honey. FIRST ... 'drinking shit' is a hallucination of the author's. SECONDLY ... even IF the rework on Prop B specifically mandated that puppies (who drink mother's milk, by the way) drink diarrhea .. the caring, concerned people who got involved in dog husbandry to provide quality pets to well qualified, deserving families would continue to care for their dogs in a compassionate, responsible way.
Do you supporters REALLY think that nearly half the state who voted to reject Prop B 'hates puppies' and profit from puppy mills? Seriously delusional.
What about that debacle known as Halfway Home? The one that keeps over 100 dogs in tiny little runs. They don't have enought help. I guess we know why there is an exclusion to shelters and rescues. It is okay for dogs to be miserable as long as it is non-profit. Right?
So when God came up with the divine plan for dogs to come in heat every 6 months he should have consulted Shelley Powers first? The puppies are typically weaned at 5-6 weeks. This is just another typical statement from an individual who truly is illiterate about canine husbandry.
Puppy Mills is driven by market demands in pet stores and internet sales.
Please support your local pet shelters.
Actually, it was a senate committee meeting recently. Jason Smith was not there.
If I had a dollar for every transparent attempt by the opposition to sidelines bills with the baseless claim "it's poorly written," I'd be rich!!
Lucky for you Edward, I never once predicated my comment with anything that could be remotely construed as "Christian"... What if I were to tell you I was an agnostic (the lazy man's atheist), Muslim, Buddhist, etc.... would it make a difference to you? Not like it should matter though, right (That whole issue of separation of church and state just never sunk in with you did it?) I get it buddy, you're the type of guy who believes that on the 8th day God created the Winchester automatic repeating rifle to fight off the dinosaurs and the homosexuals. Based on your piss poor grammar and continued reference to the lack of christian values in response to my first post, I am fairly positive that you are not a very bright individual. "Anal retensive", really? "Retensive" I think you meant to say that they were "retentive".. But hey, your advocating for the butchering of the legislative system,why not butcher the english language while we're at it! Look forward to your response.. Make sure to demonize me, and say that the devil is at hand in my postings.. You're the exact kind of fool that makes me hate my own political party.. I digress though; It's not right to gut the vote Missouri citizens, nor is it right to pull the protective measures for the dogs included in the bill. To support your side, you cited the fact that the bill puts limits on humane societies. However, you fail to measure that number against the would be effect of the bill on the reduced numbers of dogs coming out of "puppy mills" into those shelters. Thank you Edward, you have once again proven to me that Christianity and stupidity can really be synonymous concepts.
Sincerely,
An incensed Republican heathen
Why do you care if it's defined again?
Seriously, override the will of the people because, according to you, it only says what's already in the laws?
You keep talking about your kennel, but we can't verify anything you say, even that you're a kennel owner. So you'll have to excuse us if we take everything you say with a grain of salt.
Good lord, you give your dogs chicken bones?
If your Prop B wants to see dogs fed and watered, it was already law. Why do you want to define it again? What is sufficient food to you? Not enough or sufficient? My vet looks through each pen now, at my request. If there is a problem, I want to know. This law is great, it gives me time with my vet. I learn something from him everytime. He works with me on the old dogs with joint medication, etc. He always goes through any questions I have on particular dogs. He was here about a month ago, as he left he told me that I have an excellent facility. That came out of nowhere. Because of the Prop B and all of this shut down these terrible kennels, I have been looking with a critical eye at mine. I see happy dogs. I cook chicken at least once a week for them and that makes them even happier.
There's nothing in Prop B about destroying "your old friends". Most deception, lies, misinformation.
If your place is as good as you say, you should have no problem meeting Prop B requirements.
And if you're one of the 149 kennels in Missouri that has over 50 dogs, you can help your dogs retire by contacting any number of shelters and rescues that have offered to help your "friends" find a better life.
I mean, if that's what you really care about. The dogs.
Their vote counts, big time!! Prop B will be common sense and about anti cruelty to animals. Shelley, no one wants cruelty. We agree to shut down the bad, unlawful ones as soon as possible. There will always be a bad apple somewhere. We deal with them one at a time, same as with thieves, etc. Neither are dealt with quick enough. I have a kennel, no write ups. I have outside runs and air, heat, auto feeders, and waterers. i also have many retired dogs. Why can't I give them their retirement? According to your 50 dog rule, I would have to destroy these dogs. My old friends, which ones should I pick? I am paying for their retirement, no burden to you.They don't deserve to die.
edward, you're not particularly well informed.
One of the bills would have added shelters to Proposition B, except this bill did not pass out of committee. Except that it also contradicts other laws that state all loose dogs have to be captured and taken to a municipal shelter, which must take them in--hence they will have more than 50 dogs, most likely.
It was a really lousy piece of legislation, and pretty mean spirited too boot.
And edward, at least I live in Missouri, and I'm not paid by anyone to comment here. Can we say the same as you?
Hey, then if it's already defined, why should you care if it's defined again?
Professionally and with logic? Are you kidding.
The state representatives in their infinite lack of wisdom have now re-defined the laws of Missouri so that a pet is only a dog.
They stated that dogs must be given sufficient food, but then didn't specify what sufficient food is.
They removed the provision for veterinarian care for the dogs, and set it such that a vet only needs to visit the site, not actually examine or care for the dogs.
They've added so much additional enforcement provisions, that the Department of Agriculture stated it would need two additional personnel just to handle the fact that if the inspectors found dogs starving to death, they couldn't do anything about it for 30 days.
But then they turned around and said, no, the Department doesn't really need the additional personnel.
They have done such a poor job, that the bills to "modify" Proposition B, could actually be held up as an example of legislative incompetence. And graft, since they're doing all of this to placate special interests and against the will of the people.
I believe that Bob Barker, of the Missouri Alliance for Animal Legislation was one of the architects of Proposition B. That's _Missouri_ in that title--he lives in MIssouri.
It's only "crap" to people who really believe in dogs living a miserable life, for the sake of a buck.
Oh and that mention of domestic--isn't that related to a House hearing recently? Wasn't that the hearing were Representative Jason Smith grilled those testifying about Proposition B? Without first mentioning the fact that he had a personal axe to grind? His mother being one of the Dirty Dozen dog mills in this state?
Just about anything is more Christian than that person wrote. One of the modifications is that the humane society shelters will be INCLUDED in Prop B. I wondered why you were getting so anal retensive. Walk the walk get the cruelty out of your shelters.
Overall, 47 percent of the voters, voted. And since the low turn out was across all districts, if more people had voted, Proposition B would still have won.
If people don't vote, they can't complain about how a vote goes.
When are you going to stop trying to make it seem as if this wasn't a legitimate vote? If you want to go that far, then every single rep's election must be overthrown. As well as Proposition A, and the Congressional races.
I would not be seeking to get my representatives to override the vote. Even when I don't agree with the vote, such as Proposition A, I think it's important that people know for a fact that their vote counts.
You don't see me writing my reps, telling them to repeal Prop A, do you?
It's more Christian to keep dogs in a miserable life, all for a buck?
To get the state representatives to deceive the public by pretending to modify Proposition B, when they're gutting it?
To lie to people and tell them Proposition B is about cattle and chickens?
Wonder what ignorance Shelley would be spewing if the vote had gone the other way? Don't think we would be hearing anything about 'believing in the vote'. This has nothing to do with honoring the voters, but everything to do with promoting the HSUS agenda.
Is this the typical yes-voter? Yikes! I prefer to believe that the yes-voters were uneducated-in-animal-agriculture, and thus easily persuaded by the $4,000,000 campaign of the HSUS and other radical anti-agriculture zealots, rather than believe they were people-hating, animal-hating, ignorant, venom-spewing, vegan, low-class idiots.
What a lovely response. Real Christian of you, I guess we can all expect that of the radicals. It is nice that you are sorry, but we can see that already.
Who exactly were the 'good people of this state' who wrote the Piece-of-crap aka Prop B? The president of the MO HS claimed she had input in the rules, but yet couldn't even define 'domestic'. No wonder Prop B needs fixing if that is the intelligence who helped write it.
I second sending that Nazi Barbara Schmitz out of Missouri. She can go elsewhere to attack some other vet with her slanderous lies!
One died because it was killed by the rescuers. It may have needed put down, but it DID have help dying. Just clarifying because Shelley is so anal about absolute 'facts'.
F*ck these wretched pieces of sh*t... I hope this whole committee and the ass backwards hicks that wanted this overturned are someday subjected to the maltreatment they have advocated for these dogs.. Type something back about a slippery slope.. Be sure to include how puppies and agricultural animals can be included in the same category. Disgusting hillbilly freaks.. To the members of this committee, I wish Michael Vick would put you in one of his special rape stands. (You know, since you raped the system to overturn this law, you should get raped). Then maybe we could hear you squeal like the disgusting pigs you are..
Sincerely, A pissed off dog loving Republican (Sorry to those who wanted to contribute this post to a bleeding heart liberal)
There you go again. Only 32 percent of the citizens of Missouri voted last election. That means 17 percent of the population of missouri voted for prop B. It is now that legislature is hearing from and listening to the citizens of Missouri in their districts. Thank God they are, and I look forward to the best results for professional licensed dog breeders and all agricultural professionals.
When I saw the wording on the ballot that food and water is needed, I thought-absolutely!!!! I didn't think that people were not actually giving necessities to their animals. Then I thought, that is already law, and looked further to see the rest of the bill. It was not clear. It needed to be written professionally and with logic.
If it wasn't for the existing laws, they would all be dead if not today, eventually. Where would Prop B make the outcome better. Those people were wrong, they are toast. I don't have dogs in cages or crates. They have room to run. Your buddies with HSUS originally put that 6" longer rule in to start with. Why act like we are responsible for that crap. I know no one that goes that small on cages except the show breeders that have to keep their coats for show.
Kevin, The mental status of the urban voters are fine. It is the radicals that are pushing this crap. The radicals are the ones that are holding up for this bill. The urban voters saw on the ballots that the dogs need to be fed and watered. If the ballot said that the breeders need to supply a house bigger than the voters, they would have re read it and shook their heads. No one wants abuse, everyone wants animals taken care of. That is what is going on now with the legislators, they look at this bill and know it is uncompliable as written. The 'humane' bunch helped write the rules that are law now. They realized that the breeders were fine with them and complied. Missouri was rated a 3 out of 4 on their scales. Now they know that it didn't put the breeders out of business on their old bill, so they made Prop B where no breeder could comply. We then became the No 1 Puppymill state awarded by the radicals. You see, there were other No 1's in the country before us, when they were under attack by HSUS. There will be more soon. Kansas sent them packing, they saw the handwriting on the wall.
Yes, because we in the urban areas actually believe in the vote--not like representatives from the rural areas, that not only override the vote, but they do so in order to placate special interests.
And I wouldn't expect the majority of district representatives, who are actually in urban areas themselves, are going to appreciate your point of view. Remember that the representation goes with the population, and the majority of districts in this state voted for Proposition B.
But do continue insulting voters and representatives from urban areas.
You know, you're calling the majority of voters nitwits. I don't think you're going to gain any friends in this state for that.
The good people of this state did write Proposition B, over 190,000 signed to put it on the ballot, and close to a million signed for it.
Oh, how original: mean, petty, sly innuendo. What a surprise.
It's unfortunate that with existing laws, the dogs were so far gone that one has already died, and there's a puppy that's touch and go.
But then, you favor wire cages six inches longer than the dogs, no vet care for sick or injured dogs, dogs kept in freezing temperatures in "dogloos" with some straw for warmth, and breeding them until they drop. That's what you like.
More people are waking up to this. These nitwits can't believe that kennels use automatic waterers or auto feed systems. You should read some of the other comment sections and educate yourself on how illiterate some of the people are on kennels. It is unreal. They would rather have your dog walk around on wet cement that is urine contaminated or feces contaminated. The idiots only mandate once a day cleaning? How crazy is that? They proved themselves on that one.
What a ridiculous piece of crap this article is. More and more, I wonder about the mental status of urban voters. Not exactly the work of a sound mind. No wonder our legislators are ignoring the radical animal rights extremists.
Never heard of them, and didn't see the facilities on the clip. Thank God and the Missouri inspector that cleaned that mess up. This kennel was stopped before Prop B took effect. This is what Missouri and anyone elsewhere wants. That absolutely needed to be stopped, and was. Why was Kansas City Humane Society passed up and St Louis butted them out of the picture and took all the dogs? Kansas City needs to make money too, they were not impressed by St Louis' greed.
How about the poster half dead dog on the GIVE ME YOUR MONEY ads for the HSUS. They hold up this pathetic animal and give less than 1 per cent of your 19 bucks to help what they deceptively show you. It should be Wayne sitting up begging for shit water.
The good people of Missouri did not write this piece of crap. Humane radicals did. When the writers were asked what domestic animals meant in the bill, they sat there and looked bewildered. They didn't know. None of them. They wrote it. Get the problem here? How do the dogs get shit in the automatic waters? This is suppose to be an anti cruelty bill as proposed to the people. It was not suppose to be a bill to force breeders to build a stadium for their dogs. No suspicious fires in Wright County until 5 occupied kennels burned up, now the radicals can dance and sing. This is to put legal licensed breeders out and have them to euthanize their costly and dear dogs. We love our dogs, you want to sell them, what you can't get paid for, you slaughter. That is a pretty nasty monopoly for Missourians to vote for.
The laws in place already work. Your contention has been that nothing is ever done. Kennels are shut down.
And apparently, neither has the state representatives who are working to gut Proposition B.
I would say that a person who can't tell the difference between close to a million voters and 60,000 shouldn't be tossing about words like idiot.
Speaking of idiots, since you're in deep with the dog breeding community, do you know the Knee Deep in Collies? That one of them commercial dog breeding experts you seem to think so highly of?
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